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WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can't help but FacePalm and yell
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WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can\'t help but FacePalm and yell \"what an idiot\". An aspect of carrying the IdiotBall is that the character behaves \"willfully stupid or obtuse far beyond what has been established as \'natural\' for them\". They are essentially having a significant and noticeable out of character reaction, usually just for the sake of the plot.
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what we had been shown of him being a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what we had been shown of him being a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
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WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can't help but FacePalm and yell
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WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can\'t help but FacePalm and yell \"what an idiot\". An aspect of carrying the IdiotBall is that the character behaves \"willfully stupid or obtuse far beyond what has been established as \'natural\' for them\". They are essentially having a significant and noticeable out of character reaction, usually just for the sake of the plot.
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what you\'d expect from a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what you\'d expect from a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
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WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can't help but FacePalm and yell
to:
WhatAnIdiot is when the audience has such a visceral reaction to a character grabbing the IdiotBall that they can\'t help but FacePalm and yell \"what an idiot\". An aspect of carrying the IdiotBall is that the character behaves \"willfully stupid or obtuse far beyond what has been established as \'natural\' for them\".
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what you\'d expect from a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
Regarding how Peter reacts to his discovery that Adrian is the Vulture, I agree that he behaved stupidly and could have handled it better. The question is whether his response is inconsistent with the way Peter has been presented in the story such that you can say beyond a doubt that he was grabbing the IdiotBall for that scene.
I don\'t believe that to be the case. I found his reaction consistent with what you\'d expect from a young, fledgling superhero who is suddenly put in a tense, emotional situation he was not expecting or had ever dealt with before. We are shown he is overwhelmed at first but, in time, is able to calm himself enough to come up with the cell-phone strategy.
Your reply acknowledges that you found Peter\'s reaction to be fully understandable but quite stupid. As I pointed out earlier, a character making a stupid or poor decision because they are panicked, or inexperienced or dealing with a totally unforeseen situation, does not automatically qualify for IdiotBall / WhatAnIdiot and I don\'t feel this situation is a strong example of this trope.
If Peter had been Spider-Man for several years and reacted this way I could see it as an IdiotBall, but him being inexperienced and dealing poorly with what is essentially his first super-villain doesn\'t seem justified.
