Discussion History Main / LikeParentLikeSpouse

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter). Not to mention that the bolded statements are highly debatable (but this is not the place for it, we\'ve already gotten off-topic too much).

Interpretation of the quality of a work or even whether elements of a story \"make sense\" or not by definition are not 100% \"objective\" (and your interpretations are even less so) and on this wiki depend on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter). Not to mention that the bolded statements are highly debatable (but this is not the place for it).

Interpretation of the quality of a work or even whether elements of a story \"make sense\" or not by definition are not 100% \"objective\" (and your interpretations are even less so) and on this wiki depend on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter). Not to mention that the bolded statements are highly debatable (but this is not the place for it).

Interpretation of the quality of a work or even whether things \"make sense\" or not by definition are not 100% \"objective\" (and your interpretations are even less so) and on this wiki depend on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work or even whether things \"make sense\" or not by definition are not 100% \"objective\" (and your interpretations are even less so) and on this wiki depend on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments, in case you still want to beat that dead horse) where these things belong. However and as a fair warning, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki nor the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point, not all romance arcs in fiction need to be fully detailed[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where these things belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. Quote: \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where these things belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

\"Not a pairing related issue\" [[SarcasmMode Right]]. \"Naruto\'s bond with Team 7, Iruka and Sasuke were pretty much slammed aside \'\'\'so that his relationship with Hinata makes sense\'\'\'. The very existence of the movie is based simply on the fact that \'\'\'NH wasn\'t given enough in the 15 year long run of the story for it to make sense.\'\'\'\" You\'ve contradicted yourself twice, so you either have either some serious SelectiveObliviousness problems or you\'re being disingenuous (I would like to think the latter).

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where these things belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends more on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago (confirmed by himself in at least 3 separate interviews, including the NYCC one you love to quote), whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where these things belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends more on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

\"There was nothing I said that you can\'t say isn\'t true.\"

Can or can\'t? You\'ve said at least 3 false statements: 1) Kishimoto didn\'t have anything to do with \'\'The Last\'\'. False[[note]]He outlined the story and gave his approval to the final product so that it would tie with the canon[[/note]] 2) Kishimoto didn\'t intend [=NaruHina=]. False[[note]]He decided that Naruto would end up with her from a while ago, whether or not he wanted to show how it happened in the manga is beside the point[[/note]]. 3) Junko called bs on \'\'The Last\'\'. False [[note]]It was a wrong translation, with the full context she actually said that she was pleasantly surprised by it.[[/note]] To claim otherwise is being dishonest and disingenuous.

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\", \"makes no sense\" and \"it\'s a retcon\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where these things belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

Interpretation of the quality of a work by definition is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends more on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\" or \"makes no sense\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where they belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

Interpretation of the quality of a work is not \"objective\" (and yours is even less so) and on this wiki depends more on popularity (hence the [=YMMV=]).

But buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod; if you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\" or \"makes no sense\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where they belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Good day. :)

Buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod, you want to argue that the canon pairing \"had no development\" then make your case under StrangledByTheRedString (just bear in mind that there was already a discussion about this on that page about your arguments) where they belong. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.

Buddy, if you\'re so adamant that Creator/MasashiKishimoto has contradicted himself, then by all means add an entry for him under FlipFlopOfGod where it belongs. However, [=IMHO=] none of your arguments, past or present will be considered to hold much water by other editors of this wiki or the moderators.