However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity nor are an indicator of what will happen in the main story.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'(this bold text is conveniently omitted by upset militant Naruto/Sakura shippers) . However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\". To use that quote to claim that the end pairing was not his intention is dishonest at best.
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" is not a universal opinion and it sounds more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], you make it all about the parental similarities with your obviously favourite pairing, and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here? I do have a bias... towards the canon and objective verifiable statements made by that author that line with the former.
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity nor are an indicator of what will happen in the main story.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'(this bold text is conveniently omitted by upset militant Naruto/Sakura shippers) . However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\". To use that quote to claim that the end pairing was not his intention is dishonest at best.
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" is not a universal opinion and it sounds more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity nor are an indicator of what will happen in the main story.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\". To use that quote to claim that the end pairing was not his intention is dishonest at best.
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" is not a universal opinion and it sounds more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity nor are an indicator of what will happen in the main story.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\". To use that quote claim that he the end pairing was not his intention is dishonest at best.
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example and why your edit doesn't belong:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity nor are an indicator of what will happen in the main story.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example and why your edit doesn\'t belong:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes, all chuunin ninjas indeed move FasterThanLight! :)
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]], here\'s the actual text from that flyer:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes.
\"You do know Kishi wrote a manga named Mario right?\"
No I didn\'t, and yes, you could\'ve been more direct.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity.
\"Are you also under the impression that every chunnin Naruto character is faster than the speed of light (Mach 889,000) because he said Haku was lightspeed?\"
That depends, if he was serious then yes.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Kishimoto has personally overseen \'\'all\'\' Naruto related works, he has to, he\'s the author and has to approve everything, but that doesn\'t mean he has the same level of involvement in all, nor that all works are in the canon continuity.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example nor are valid arguments against the inclusion of the author\'s explanation in the trope\'s entry. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. The arguments that \"directly contradict\" the RedHerring claim are actually based in indirect \"evidence\" that is opinion-based, debatable at best, and outright wrong at worst. And to claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn the trope since there\'s no connection with it by virtue of being a different story with different characters with different backgrounds.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, can you provide the source for the 2012 interview where he says the contrary?
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author's statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] of the author\'s statements plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (they require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (your arguments require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (they require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoogles for the original work), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (they require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoggles for the original work), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted (they require a very [[InsaneTrollLogic liberal interpretation]] plus a heavy dose of ShippingGoogles for the original work), and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments about your edit in the trope page (other than the ones you\'ve already made), there\'s nothing more to discuss. It stays at it is.
However, so far you've failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end and how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
However, you are just repeating yourself in your arguments, and I do not wish do the same.
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However, so far you\'ve failed to explain in objective terms how the RedHerring claim is contradicted, and you are also just repeating yourself in your arguments and I do not wish do the same.
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus (there\'s actually really very, very little romance on-screen), so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"\'\'\'I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata\'\'\'. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus, so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing and romance was never its focus, so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing, so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since you\'re just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
So first I'll address the issue of the trope's example:
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So first I\'ll address the issue of the trope\'s example:
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called
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You have to understand that on this wiki there are tropes that subject to personal opinion, they are called \"[[YMMV/HomePage Your Mileage May Vary]]\", LikeParentLikeSpouse is pretty clear cut and [[WordOfGod an author\'s statement]] has sources for verification, so they are not YMMV. On the other hand, [[{{Fanon}} your interpretation of the work]], [[DeathOfTheAuthor of the author\'s statements]], [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation of the characters\' motivations]], [[FanonDiscontinuity and to dismiss parts of a work that are canon because you dislike them]], are this, and as such they do not belong in the trope\'s page as an example. In summary: The entry, as it is, is neutral, since it\'s just stating how the trope happened, was ultimately subverted and the author\'s explanation of it. To claim \"but in this other story, these {{Expy}} characters do get married\" is to shoehorn since there\'s no connection with the original trope.
Now, the quote where Kishimoto says that \"NH was never his intention\", has been taken [[GodNeverSaidThat so much so out of context]]:
青年期に入った少し経った頃から「ナルトはヒナタとくっつく」と決まっていました。でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて(笑)、そういう話を描くつもりはなかったんです。
\"I decided that Naruto would be together with Hinata. However, not in particular, I didn’t contemplate much over the love story between the two of them. Since for that sort of story, I did not intend to describe\".
Why he didn\'t intend to describe Naruto and Hinata\'s romance in the manga? Could be for many reasons: Naruto was known for NoHuggingNoKissing, so maybe he didn\'t want to break that; officially he said because he was embarrassed by writing romance, but that doesn\'t mean that he can\'t \"enjoy romance\" as he said before.
Suffice to say, even if Sakura was the heroine that doesn\'t mean she had to end with the protagonist, there\'s the trope DidNotGetTheGirl, [[TropesAreTools it happens many times]], at any rate, it\'s his story, you may not like it and call it bad writing but that\'s only a matter of opinion.
\"Try to look at this from a logical perpsective here Me: \"It is confirmed NS and MK are parallels\" You: \"Kishi said it was a red herring\" Me: \"He said this during a promotion for an NH movie that retcons the entire premise of the story to make sense and has this statement directly contradicted several times before\"
Well, to be honest, your statement that \"it retcons the entire premise of the story\" sound more like \"it changes what \'\'I\'\' [[{{Fanon}} made the story about]]\", you are entitled to you opinion, just like I said before, don\'t try to push your {{Fanon}} into the people who do respect the canon material, also I already answered your other point.
[[BlatantLies You claim that this is not about shipping]], yet in your previous comments you [[DieForOurShip bash Hinata calling her weak]], and you basically whine about why Naruto and Sakura didn\'t get together in the end how this is bad writing. So really, who\'s being biased here?
I do not wish to engage into ShipToShipCombat anymore since your\'e just repeating yourself and we would never finish; So, If you have no better arguments, other than the ones you\'ve already made, there\'s nothing more to discuss.
