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She is of upper class, that's true. But the 'Twit' part absolutely does not fit her. The 'twit' implies stupidity and she's far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don't get where this 'look down on the poor', which would've been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the 'poor' side and her story made it clear that she's trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would've preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of 'stupid' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can't expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she's stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that's taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar's badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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She is of upper class, that\'s true. But the \'Twit\' part absolutely does not fit her. The \'twit\' implies stupidity and she\'s far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don\'t get where this \'look down on the poor\', which would\'ve been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the \'poor\' side and her story made it clear that she\'s trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would\'ve preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of \'stupid\' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can\'t expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she\'s stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that\'s taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar\'s badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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Also things like telling people that they're UnfitForGreatness or things like
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Also things like telling people that they\'re UnfitForGreatness or things like \"Will put them in their place\"... that all felt like common TrashTalk or BadassBoast within the game, same way as Genji calling those he killed \"Aho\"/\"Stupid\" or Hanzo saying \"Never second best\" in his voiceline (I can say the same about the ribbing with Torbjorn). It doesn\'t link with how she viewed the poor or those below her class (and that hasn\'t made it to the story canon). And if she just used that to kill others in-game... well it is pretty common, and just because she\'s not a NiceGirl doesn\'t mean she\'s a complete jerk to others. Also if they think she looks down on a poor because of her treatment to Lucio, I just feel it\'s wrong. She only accosts Lucio because he has done damage to Vishkar, just because she harasses Lucio doesn\'t mean she looks down on other poor people that are neutral to Vishkar (besides, despite his poor beginning, Lucio is now really rich as a DJ)

Now I\'m not saying I deny that she has some very sharp diss. But to say that it makes her an UpperClassTwit... I feel that it\'s wrong. Symmetra is a brilliant prodigal architect, the top at her area of expertise, it does gave her reasoning to be quite smug about it. Thankfully, there is a trope that could fit her arrogance while still sounding pretty neutral and accurate about it: SmugSuper.

So bottom line, I don\'t believe that Symmetra really looks down on the poor, but she just wants to save them from that state because she suffered from it in the past. So, probably remove the entry UpperClassTwit and then replace the content about her arrogance into SmugSuper. (And also probably edit her entries that say she looks down on the poor. Because she doesn\'t, even if she does look down on Lucio for other reasons.)

Any objection?
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She is of upper class, that's true. But the 'Twit' part absolutely does not fit her. The 'twit' implies stupidity and she's far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don't get where this 'look down on the poor', which would've been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the 'poor' side and her story made it clear that she's trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would've preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of 'stupid' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can't expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she's stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that's taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar's badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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She is of upper class, that\'s true. But the \'Twit\' part absolutely does not fit her. The \'twit\' implies stupidity and she\'s far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don\'t get where this \'look down on the poor\', which would\'ve been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the \'poor\' side and her story made it clear that she\'s trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would\'ve preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of \'stupid\' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can\'t expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she\'s stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that\'s taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar\'s badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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Also things like telling people that they're UnfitForGreatness or things like
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Also things like telling people that they\'re UnfitForGreatness or things like \"Will put them in their place\"... that all felt like common TrashTalk or BadassBoast within the game, same way as Genji calling those he killed \"Aho\"/\"Stupid\" or Hanzo saying \"Never second best\" in his voiceline (I can say the same about the ribbing with Torbjorn). It doesn\'t link with how she viewed the poor or those below her class (and that hasn\'t made it to the story canon). And if she just used that to kill others in-game... well it is pretty common, and just because she\'s not a NiceGirl doesn\'t mean she\'s a complete jerk to others. Also if they think she looks down on a poor because of her treatment to Lucio, I just feel it\'s wrong. She only accosts Lucio because he has done damage to Vishkar, just because she harasses Lucio doesn\'t mean she looks down on other poor people that are neutral to Vishkar (besides, despite his poor beginning, Lucio is now really rich as a DJ)

Now I\'m not saying I deny that she has some very sharp diss. But to say that it makes her an UpperClassTwit... I feel that it\'s wrong. Symmetra is a brilliant prodigal architect, the top at her area of expertise, it does gave her reasoning to be quite smug about it. Thankfully, there is a trope that could fit her arrogance while still sounding pretty neutral and accurate about it: SmugSuper.

So bottom line, I don\'t believe that Symmetra really looks down on the poor, but she just wants to save them from that state because she suffered from it in the past. So, probably remove the entry UpperClassTwit and then replace the content about her arrogance into SmugSuper.

Any objection?
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She is of upper class, that's true. But the 'Twit' part absolutely does not fit her. The 'twit' implies stupidity and she's far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don't get where this 'look down on the poor', which would've been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the 'poor' side and her story made it clear that she's trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would've preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of 'stupid' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can't expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she's stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that's taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar's badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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She is of upper class, that\'s true. But the \'Twit\' part absolutely does not fit her. The \'twit\' implies stupidity and she\'s far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don\'t get where this \'look down on the poor\', which would\'ve been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the \'poor\' side and her story made it clear that she\'s trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would\'ve preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of \'stupid\' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can\'t expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she\'s stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that\'s taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar\'s badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
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Also things like telling people that they're UnfitForGreatness or things like
to:
Also things like telling people that they\'re UnfitForGreatness or things like \"Will put them in their place\"... that all felt like common TrashTalk or BadassBoast within the game, same way as Genji calling those he killed \"Aho\"/\"Stupid\" or Hanzo saying \"Never second best\" in his voiceline (I can say the same about the ribbing with Torbjorn). It doesn\'t link with how she viewed the poor or those below her class (and that hasn\'t made it to the story canon). And if she just used that to kill others in-game... well it is pretty common, and just because she\'s not a NiceGirl doesn\'t mean she\'s a complete jerk to others. Also if they think she looks down on a poor because of her treatment to Lucio, I just feel it\'s wrong. She only accosts Lucio because he has done damage to Vishkar, just because she harasses Lucio doesn\'t mean she looks down on other poor people (besides, despite his poor beginning, Lucio is now really rich as a DJ)

Now I\'m not saying I deny that she has some very sharp diss. But to say that it makes her an UpperClassTwit... I feel that it\'s wrong. Symmetra is a brilliant prodigal architect, the top at her area of expertise, it does gave her reasoning to be quite smug about it. Thankfully, there is a trope that could fit her arrogance while still sounding pretty neutral and accurate about it: SmugSuper.

So bottom line, I don\'t believe that Symmetra really looks down on the poor, but she just wants to save them from that state because she suffered from it in the past. So, probably remove the entry UpperClassTwit and then replace the content about her arrogance into SmugSuper.

Any objection?
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She is of upper class, that's true. But the 'Twit' part absolutely does not fit her. The 'twit' implies stupidity and she's far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don't get where this 'look down on the poor', which would've been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the 'poor' side and her story made it clear that she's trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would've preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of 'stupid' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil. We can't expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she's stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that's taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar's badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
to:
She is of upper class, that\'s true. But the \'Twit\' part absolutely does not fit her. The \'twit\' implies stupidity and she\'s far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don\'t get where this \'look down on the poor\', which would\'ve been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the \'poor\' side and her story made it clear that she\'s trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would\'ve preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of \'stupid\' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that [[FourthWallMyopia these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil]]. We can\'t expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she\'s stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that\'s taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar\'s badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
Also things like telling people that they're UnfitForGreatness or things like
to:
Also things like telling people that they\'re UnfitForGreatness or things like \"Will put them in their place\"... that all felt like common TrashTalk or BadassBoast within the game, same way as Genji calling those he killed \"Aho\"/\"Stupid\" or Hanzo saying \"Never second best\" in his voiceline (I can say the same about the ribbing with Torbjorn). It doesn\'t link with how she viewed the poor or those below her class (and that hasn\'t made it to the story canon). And if she just used that to kill others in-game... well it is pretty common, and just because she\'s not a NiceGirl doesn\'t mean she\'s a complete jerk to others.

Now I\'m not saying I deny that she has some very sharp diss. But to say that it makes her an UpperClassTwit... I feel that it\'s wrong. Symmetra is a brilliant prodigal architect, the top at her area of expertise, it does gave her reasoning to be quite smug about it. Thankfully, there is a trope that could fit her arrogance while still sounding pretty neutral and accurate about it: SmugSuper.

So bottom line, I don\'t believe that Symmetra really looks down on the poor, but she just wants to save them from that state because she suffered from it in the past. So, probably remove the entry UpperClassTwit and then replace the content about her arrogance into SmugSuper.

Any objection?
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She is of upper class, that's true. But the 'Twit' part absolutely does not fit her. The 'twit' implies stupidity and she's far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don't get where this 'look down on the poor', which would've been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the 'poor' side and her story made it clear that she's trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would've preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of 'stupid' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil. We can't expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she's stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that's taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar's badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
to:
She is of upper class, that\'s true. But the \'Twit\' part absolutely does not fit her. The \'twit\' implies stupidity and she\'s far from stupid. At least intellectually. And honestly, I don\'t get where this \'look down on the poor\', which would\'ve been pretty hypocritical of her considering she used to be on the \'poor\' side and her story made it clear that she\'s trying to help them rise from poverty. An UpperClassTwit would\'ve preferred a rather hedonistic life and not even working or thinking hard. Symmetra does both of them willingly even if she now belonged to the Upper Class part. Just about the source of \'stupid\' here is that she wrongly believed that Vishkar is doing the right thing, but I kind of feel like that these stemmed from how the viewers have more knowledge that Vishkar is either super shady or evil. We can\'t expect Symmetra to know them either, so to say that she\'s stupid because of believing in Vishkar, I think that\'s taking it too far with the bias or overblowing Vishkar\'s badness and letting it rub on Symmetra.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
Also things like telling people that they're UnfitForGreatness or things like
to:
Also things like telling people that they\'re UnfitForGreatness or things like \"Will put them in their place\"... that all felt like common TrashTalk or BadassBoast within the game, same way as Genji calling those he killed \"Aho\"/\"Stupid\" or Hanzo saying \"Never second best\" in his voiceline (I can say the same about the ribbing with Torbjorn). It doesn\'t link with how she viewed the poor or those below her class (and that hasn\'t made it to the story canon). And if she just used that to kill others in-game... well it is pretty common, and just because she\'s not a NiceGirl doesn\'t mean she\'s a complete jerk to others.

Now I\'m not saying I deny that she has some very sharp diss. But to say that it makes her an UpperClassTwit... I feel that it\'s wrong. Symmetra is a brilliant prodigal architect, the top at her area of expertise, it does gave her reasoning to be quite smug about it. Thankfully, there is a trope that could fit her arrogance while still sounding pretty neutral and accurate about it: SmugSuper.

So bottom line, I don\'t believe that Symmetra really looks down on the poor, but she just wants to save them from that state because she suffered from it in the past. So, probably remove the entry UpperClassTwit and then replace the content about her arrogance into SmugSuper.

Any objection?
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