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I don't think the ''Buffy'' example [[SquarePegRoundTrope belongs here]]...and even if it did, the wording is in ''dire'' need of repair, because ''every word'' of the current example that refers to Kendra ''only'' refers to a trio of traits that anybody up to and including the girliest of {{Girly Girl}}s, could have. It ''doesn't'' establish her as a
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I don\'t think the \'\'Buffy\'\' example [[SquarePegRoundTrope belongs here]]...and even if it did, the wording is in \'\'dire\'\' need of repair, because \'\'every word\'\' of the current example that refers to Kendra \'\'only\'\' refers to a trio of traits that anybody up to and including the girliest of {{Girly Girl}}s, could have. It \'\'doesn\'t\'\' establish her as a \"{{Tomboy}} to Buffy\'s GirlyGirl\", but it \'\'does\'\' [[UnfortunateImplications imply]] that Masculinity = \"solemn, respectful and efficient\"...\'\'in contrast to\'\' Femininity, which [[SilkHidingSteel doesn\'t]] [[LadyOfWar even]] [[YamatoNadeshiko make]] [[ProperLady sense]] to imply in the first place.
This is a pretty big problem for an example to have, especially considering even the \'\'original work\'\' doesn\'t carry those UnfortunateImplications. If it did, we could at least say \"which is supposed to be taken as a sign she\'s more masculine\". But it doesn\'t, so we can\'t.
I have been discussing this with another troper in PM and to address something they brought up: no, I do not think, \'\'especially\'\' in the context of \'\'BuffyTheVampireSlayer\'\' and with \'\'both\'\' Buffy and Kendra being Slayers, that just the fact she has combat skills or is dedicated to her Calling as TheChosenOne makes her \"masculine\". \"Dedication to your duties\", even combat duties, is \'\'not\'\' an explicitly \"masculine\" or anti-feminine trait, as we can see from tropes like the YamatoNadeshiko - which, if you read the description \'\'can include an ActionGirl character\'\'. Even the YN\'s [[ProperLady Western counterpart]] can be a LadyOfWar.
And to address one last \"yes, but\" that I got: though it\'s easy to try and say \"but Buffy\'s still girlier!\", \'\'read the trope description again\'\' - one character \'\'has\'\' to be more outright \'\'masculine\'\' than the other, an actual {{Tomboy}} of \'\'some\'\' sort, to fit. Not just lacking in feminine traits, but displaying the diametric opposite.
Which leaves us with nothing to actually explain how Kendra is a Tomboy to Buffy\'s Girly Girl. But we \'\'are\'\' left, currently, with some pretty strange, unintentionally sexist wording. The current description of Kendra works \'\'if\'\' you\'re interpreting them as a RedOniBlueOni pair, but it doesn\'t for the purpose of \'\'[[SquarePegRoundTrope this]]\'\' trope.
This is a pretty big problem for an example to have, especially considering even the \'\'original work\'\' doesn\'t carry those UnfortunateImplications. If it did, we could at least say \"which is supposed to be taken as a sign she\'s more masculine\". But it doesn\'t, so we can\'t.
I have been discussing this with another troper in PM and to address something they brought up: no, I do not think, \'\'especially\'\' in the context of \'\'BuffyTheVampireSlayer\'\' and with \'\'both\'\' Buffy and Kendra being Slayers, that just the fact she has combat skills or is dedicated to her Calling as TheChosenOne makes her \"masculine\". \"Dedication to your duties\", even combat duties, is \'\'not\'\' an explicitly \"masculine\" or anti-feminine trait, as we can see from tropes like the YamatoNadeshiko - which, if you read the description \'\'can include an ActionGirl character\'\'. Even the YN\'s [[ProperLady Western counterpart]] can be a LadyOfWar.
And to address one last \"yes, but\" that I got: though it\'s easy to try and say \"but Buffy\'s still girlier!\", \'\'read the trope description again\'\' - one character \'\'has\'\' to be more outright \'\'masculine\'\' than the other, an actual {{Tomboy}} of \'\'some\'\' sort, to fit. Not just lacking in feminine traits, but displaying the diametric opposite.
Which leaves us with nothing to actually explain how Kendra is a Tomboy to Buffy\'s Girly Girl. But we \'\'are\'\' left, currently, with some pretty strange, unintentionally sexist wording. The current description of Kendra works \'\'if\'\' you\'re interpreting them as a RedOniBlueOni pair, but it doesn\'t for the purpose of \'\'[[SquarePegRoundTrope this]]\'\' trope.
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It could go on YMMV under AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but it has no place on a main page.
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Ambiguous tropes are garbage, and this is no different.
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Ambiguous tropes are prone to overuse, and this is no different.
