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resolved Peter and Company trope restoration Webcomic
So...after creating Peter & Company (1998), there are select tropes I wish to bring back to the reboot page that got removed two weeks ago, some which bridge the gap between the reboot and its original.
The following tropes I would like permission to put back:
- Adaptational Jerkass: In the 2005 reboot, Chelsea gets turned from being a Cheerful Child with too much of a sweet tooth to a snarky contrarian who dabbles in stalking and bullying for a short period.
- Age Lift: Seth was a kid and an ordinary person in the original comic, while in the 2005 release he's an adult.
- Almighty Janitor: While a rank lower than a guardian, Eddy is basically their fixer and frequently takes care of anyone who might cause them an issue, as demonstrated with his handling of Dr. Victor and Dr. Fritz. Subverted later after the Birthday Party arc reveals that Eddy was actually their leader the entire time.
- Canon Foreigner: Whitney and Tracy enter the cast later on in the comic, with the former serving as Peter's first crush and the latter being included as a Take That! at someone in the author's childhood.
- Continuity Nod: Peter sabotaging Chelsea's sleepover with the worms wasn't the first time he decided to subject her to his antics. Only, unlike in the original continuity where he pelted her and her friends with water balloons, this time it wasn't played for laughs and was done out of boredom rather than playfulness.
If there are any modifications you believe should be made, don't hesitate to ask
I would also like permission to restore certain bits and pieces of mentions of the original comic on this page so that it ties in with the original's page. I'll make sure it doesn't overtake the subject of the current comic but given parts that I wish to add were previously deleted, I would like a consensus before going through with anything.
Edited by Stardust5099resolved "Broken Base" removal for remake? Videogame
Was checking my followed pages and saw a Broken Base entry removed from YMMV.Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door since the remake just released on Switch and thus hasn't passed the six month threshold at this point... despite the entry in question being written exclusively about the original game which is nearly 20 years old. I restored it on that basis, but I do believe the other user could potentially have a point here, so I'd like to ask for second opinions here.
- Broken Base: The overall quality of Chapter 4 is heavily contested. While almost no one will defend the gameplay part, with all its back-and-forth between Twilight Town and the Creepy Steeple, there's the argument of whether or not everything else in the chapter makes up for it. People who like Chapter 4 point to the atmosphere and visuals being some of the best in the game (particularly Twilight Trail), Doopliss being a great villain who provides lots of laughs while also coming dangerously close to ending Mario's adventure, this being the part where the much-lauded Vivian joins your party, and the "end of chapter" twist being an effective Player Punch. On the other hand, detractors are quick to point out how a good story arc doesn't mean anything if the act of playing through it all isn't fun or engaging. All in all, while it's agreed the chapter excels at everything besides the gameplay, whether you think it's good or bad depends on what you consider more important to the experience.
resolved Capitalization of the AIR Visual Novel.
I've seen that some subpages of AIR are inconsistent in the wikiwords. By forcing the auto-disambiguation with a link like Foo.AIR, some of them are Air and others are AIR in all-caps. Additionaly, the title in packaging and marketing is always stylized as AIR. What should I do in the capitalization fix thread? Turn all of the wikiwords of the subpages into Air and add a custom title in all-caps, or turn all wikiwords into all-caps?
Edited by animuacidresolved Daemon10 and ZCE
On this page, Daemon 10 added a few examples with zero context. After I commented them out, they un-commented them out without adding any context to them and added more ZCEs on top. So I sent them a ZCE notifier, and it seems like they listened (because when they uncommented out the examples again, they did add more context to them)...but they then created a characters page for the same work and added ZCEs to that page instead.
resolved Undo edit reverts for Anakin Skywalker page
Greetings. I've noticed that Tuvor reverted a good deal of my edits on Anakin Skywalker's page. Some of them were understandable, but others I don't feel were necessary, such as this one, this one, and this one, to name a few.
Any thoughts on this?
Edited by zakitaroresolved Change of plans: wishing to Launch Peter and Company 1998 Webcomic
After speaking with BoltDMC on the matter, and Amonimus prior to that briefly, I think that my current page is ready enough for it to launch and given that Work Pages Are a Free Launch this was all optional to begin with, but I wanted to make sure that there was atleast some supervision given what a sensitive topic it was.
Do I have the permission of both the community and staff to go through with posting this page? Or do I still have to wait for the hats given that I already made a proposal for it in TLP? Either way, it's fine, I just wish to know if I can bypass the hat system given this is a webcomic page inspite of running it through TLP.
Edited by Stardust5099resolved Transference/Implementation of Appearance folders Print Comic
As dictated by an earlier ATT entry, appearance bars have been culled from character pages that are known to have them. I'd like to propose that instead of culling them full-stop, they get changed into collapsible appearance folders since the original issue was that they cluttered up the page as well as the fact that most other character pages seem to already have appearance folders anyway. The following is an example that's already implemented on a few pages (not by me, they were already present before this proposal)
- XXX Vol 1 #Y-WZ
- XXX Vol 1 #Z-XZZ
- YYY Vol 2 #YY-ZZZ
resolved Does Mystique counts as DracoInLeatherPants Print Comic
Hey guys, a while ago I added X-Men’s Mystique to the Draco in Leather Pants Marvel page of villains who are beloved and forgiven by fans despite their heinous crimes.
Troper Cylon took issue with this as they don’t consider Mystique an abusive mother or sadistic villain even though she has had decades of written to be just that. They removed the example, I put it back, they removed it again. Que the ensuing arguments where even where I provided evidence Cylon would either ignore it or tried justify it or claim it’s bad writing that Mystique was written that way.
I believe same as Magneto, Mystique definitely counts for the trope. What do you guys think?
Edited by Yellow20resolved Is DefectiveDetective jhonsogflint ban evading again?
I'm suspicious about Defective Detective, who only has activity since May 19th. They have the same editing patterns as jhonsogflint, who was discovered in a previous ATT to be a ban evader. Defective Detective often edits and crosswicks on Scarface (1983) just like jhonsogflint used to do. And they are currently adopting and posting TLP drafts about languages: 1, 2. That's the same fixation jhonsogflint had, with many sandboxes about language tropes.
Please check if Defective Detective is a sock.
Edited by animuacidresolved TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for Daddy System at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
resolved Revert Edit on "Cursed Princess Club"
Can we revert the most recent edit made to the Cursed Princess Club page? The edit contains extensive spelling and grammar mistakes (...and (in my opinion) it adds a lot of unnecessary cruft to the work description).
(I've privately messaged the editor and confirmed that English is not their primary language. They have been made aware that corrections/ changes will be made to the page.)
(Apologies if this isn't the right venue to request edit reversions - if not, please direct me to the correct forum or thread.)
resolved Irredeemable Exception, below exceptional threshold?
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Over the show's course, a significant portion of its antagonists are redeemed and brought to the heroes' side or, at least, convinced to drop their antagonism to them. The most notable exceptions to this are Cozy Glow, Queen Chrysalis, Lord Tirek, and King Sombra, half of whom scorn redemption at various points in their personal histories and who all eventually band together to serve as the final season's main villains, where they're eventually defeated for good and turned to stone (or completely vaporized by friendship magic, in the case of King Sombra).
If counting major villains (Luna, Discord, Starlight Glimmer, Stygian, Tempest Shadow and the unredeemed Storm King), that's only 50% redeemed. Counting minor antagonists that 14 to 16 redeemed (2 were a Hazy-Feel Turn) and 34 to 22 (if one discounts those not bad enough to be full villains), so that between 58% to 71% who remained unredeemed.
Does this trope not apply non-redemption is not that uncommon/exceptional? What is the threshold amount/ration to be considered the exception here?
resolved There are several edits by ethanm1 on the headscratcher page for a New Hope that seems written by AI Film
Example
Great question! The Death Star is powered by a powerful reactor located in the station's core. This reactor generates a massive amount of energy that is used to power a combination of propulsions systems, including repulsorlift engines, which allow the station to hover in the air or space, and sublight engines, which allow it to move through hyperspace. The Death Star also employs a special type of engine known as a hyperdrive, which is capable of moving the station across vast distances at faster-than-light speeds. This engine can be used to move the station between different star systems, and is what allows it to travel from one battle to another. However, it takes time to charge and power up the hyperdrive, which is why the Death Star is usually accompanied by a fleet of support ships, such as the imperial star destroyers, which can provide protection while it is charging its hyperdrive. Overall, the Death Star is a highly advanced and powerful vehicle that is designed to dominate the galaxy and instill fear in its enemies. The station's weapons, armor, and propulsion systems make it one of the most formidable craft in the galaxy, and its ability to travel from one system to another allows it to be a constant threat to any target, whether it's a rebel base, or simply an entire planet that it has been sent to destroy
Are the use of AI to answer headscratchers okay?
resolved Is this reason legit?
A certain troper removed this entry reasoning that Darth Wiki doesn't go on main wiki.
Except the entry was on the YMMV tab, so... that's not really the main wiki, is it?
Is the reason (and removal) legit?
Edited by sohibilresolved Url rules violation
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to add punctuation in the wiki word of any page here, and instead use a wiki word.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/ULTIMATE-ONE-TYPE-Taylor
EDIT: There IS a Fanfic.Ultimate One Type Taylor page that's apparently completely separate from the first???
Edited by Lermisresolved Troper keeps changing other people’s edits and gatekeeping pages
So basically I’ve been looking through Star Wars character pages and i noticed that zakitaro has been overly involved in these pages. If you see the edit history for pages like Star Wars – Anakin Skywalker, whenever any troper adds an edit zakitaro makes massive alterations to the previous troper’s edit. Sometimes it’s fair, like replacing a trope with a more fitting trope, and most times I think it's just downright disrespectful and unfair because they completely change the explanation for the trope that someone else added. Whatever a troper adds, zakitaro frequently comes in and changes it and I think it’s kind of rude and inconsiderate of other tropers. They also massively gatekeep the Anakin Skywalker page because I and other tropers frequently have to wait before we can make edits because zakitaro is almost always editing on there and if you look at edit history it proves that.
resolved More unilateral changes by RosaHG
So back in December, I had reported RosaHG for unilateral image changing. They were suspended and released with the understanding they would use Image Pickin' to discuss future image changes.
Which they have...sort of. They've made three posts in the Image Pickin' thread. The first was for proposing an image that pretty much got shot down immediately, the second was a quality upgrade that went through fine, but the third was an image that they then immediately threw up on the page without waiting for any feedback. They were called out in the IP thread and a separate thread where they were warned by a moderator.
Their latest edit is unilaterally changing the caption of The Greatest Showman, and while I know that changing captions isn't as frowned upon as images, this was something they were doing before the suspension, and it doesn't appear that they've learned anything after being unsuspended.
Edited by Arctimonresolved Low-effort image suggestions by a recurring problem troper
Rosa HG has had a history of making unilateral edits of images and replacing them with images from My Little Pony, and has taken to making several low-effort suggestions on Image Pickin' today (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), most of them being MLP-related, some of them being reposts of the same images they inserted unilaterally several months ago (including the image from Came from the Sky, which they further kept trying to push in the Image Suggestion thread despite being told several times that it's not great), and none of them giving any adequate explanation for why they should replace images for tropes that already have them (their Licked by the Dog suggestion also implies to me that they don't actually understand what the tropes in question properly are). It looks to me like they still fundamentally don't understand the point of how the site handles this whole Image Picking process, has ignored the efforts to correct and guide them, and is taking to spamming the forum.
Update: 6th thread.
Edited by number9robotic
I just found out that WMG.Youre So Vain Theories exists (because someone mentioned it here) and there are a couple of things I find concerning about this page:
1- It's a WMG page for a song that does not currently have its own page in the wiki.
2- The entire page is dedicated to speculation regarding who the song is addressed at (the song is about bad relationships Carly Simon had and she refuses to disclose which relationships inspired the song). While many are joke theories, I fear this might cross into RL troping territory?
So I wanted to ask, is this allowed? The page dates as back as 2011 (possibly older) so I think it might be a trace of the wild west days, but I'm not sure.
Edited by UchuuFlamenco