- Tragic Monster - A loved one is turned into a monster by any means and the hero is forced to fight them.
- Staking the Loved One - A loved one is turned into a Tragic Monster by a monster who stalks them down and turns them specifically to get back at the hero and the hero is forced to fight them.
One is a subtrope of the other.
edited 21st Sep '10 1:20:10 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Except that hardly any of the examples on Staking the Loved One is specifically a revenge act. Now you could call Trope Decay on that, but as I don't believe the vengeance variant is quite something we've Seen A Million Times, we might as well merge them. Could also use a rename. Staking the Loved One is a bit undead-specific and Tragic Monster should signify a character, rather than a situation/act. It made me think of the likes of the beast, Bootstrap Bill and The Phantom Of The Opera
edited 21st Sep '10 9:00:14 AM by GewoonDaan
Maybe rename to something like I Have Converted Your Loved One
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Move everything under Tragic Monster to the other trope including most examples and the Laconic. Leave the examples that do not match but are about what the title imples, a Tragic Monster, and create a new definition that matches the title.
Unlike @Shima, I do not think that there is anything that does not overlap.
So we can save the trouble of creating a new trope and just merge. Tragic Monster could be a trope though, if we defined it anew. The "off" examples can help with that.
(Also, @Shima's suggestion "A loved one is turned into a monster by any means and the hero is forced to fight them." could be a trope, and a good one and a supertrope at that, but save for a few examples that can be salvaged it does not exist like that yet [or anymore].)
edited 21st Sep '10 11:58:55 AM by Vree
I think there's a difference in the two, personally. Tragic Monster seems more like a character trope whereas Staking the Loved One is an event that happens where the main character themselves must take down a former ally.
^By "seems" you mean by the title? I agree that it should be a character trope, but not much else (save for a few examples) is that on the page yet.
Well, yeah, it ought to be a character trope with that title.
I agree with Gewoon Daan.
If we do end up renaming it, how about:
Though I like She Is Ours Now more then any of those.
edited 27th Sep '10 8:08:24 PM by fawn
^Not actually my favorite animal.
They appear to be the same trope, just with different names. Links: Staking the Loved One and Tragic Monster.
Also I tried many times to add a Repair Shop Notification to Staking the Loved One, but I failed. Not sure what I did wrong, as I did exactly what it says to do in this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xqbd63quq9pp5tigd8l36526
edited 21st Sep '10 1:17:18 AM by fawn
^Not actually my favorite animal.