The Chatterbox, Random Music Discussion

I just yesturday realized why there's the "trip" in "trip-hop". It's trippy. Durr, how did I not realize this earlier?

Hm, overobviousness creates subtlety i guess.

Speaking of Trip-Hop, any listeners here?

edited 19th Nov '09 1:30:08 PM by El The Daze

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There is a sub-subgenre of music that, as far as I know, was invented by John Barry for the James Bond film soundtracks. Basically it's your usual orchestral movie score music, but with bombastic, big-band-swing-style brass and woodwinds, and with some rock-inspired rhythms.

Here's some examples of what I'm thinking of:

• Title theme from Dr No, by John Barry.
• "Underwater Mayhem - Death of Largo - End Titles" from Thunderball, by John Barry.
• "The Glory Days" from The Incredibles, by Michael Giacchino.
• "Boss Battle - Night" from Sonic Unleashed, by Hideaki Kobayashi. Listen here, it's Disc 2, Track 6.
• "Skyscraper Scamper - Night" from Sonic Unleashed, by Fumie Kumatani. Same link as before, Disc 2, Track 20.

So I'm wondering, is there a name for this particular style? Is this a style, or am I just seeing patterns where there are none?

And are there any other composers out there writing stuff like this?

edited 19th Nov '09 6:47:07 PM by MetaFour

shouldn't be on right now but i'll respond.

"Filmcore" no, really that's what it's called

non-film example

It has about three artists, most of the time, it's individual songs.

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Far as trip-hop goes, all I know is Massive Attack. Great band. Although for some reason, a lot of people seem to like tagging random electronic groups as trip-hop on Last.fm.

http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60

Trip-Hop is a fuzzy genre. Like nu-metal in that nobody seems to know where the line between Hip-Hop, Trip-Hop, and Electronica is.

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Trip-hop is generally slower than instrumental hip-hop, and as the name implies, a bit trippy.

True, but again, there isn't a concrete definition of either Trip-Hop or Instrumental Hip-Hop.

for example the debates over what Endtroducing... was, are nuts

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Endtroducing was straightforward instrumental hip-hop to me. D:

http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60

I don't really care either way.
It was awesome but there are people who'd rather argue about genre than enjoy music.

Oh, and if you bring Plunderphonics/Theftcore into the mix Forget it when it comes to defining those two.

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wat

http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60

Plunderphonics: the ancestor of instrumental hip-hop. this. <—Brainbleach warning for pics.

Occaisonally it's called "theftcore" to make it sound gangsta... or something...

edited 20th Nov '09 11:07:25 AM by El The Daze

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So basically they sampled things without really altering the sound much or making it "their own", so to speak?

http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60

It's actually quite interesting to listen to. Because you can usually tell where the samples are from, but they do sound different. I'm not an expert on the subject. But Negativland's stuff is pretty good, despite the fact that they are usually mislabeled as Krautrock.

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Random observation: The beginning of Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" sounds eerily similar to the Nimbus Land castle music from Super Mario RPG.

I don't know, that RJD2 song is cool, but it's not really what I'm looking for. That's pretty clearly funk (or at least funk-inspired) and the music I'm wondering about is more orchestral.

So, any other mainstream hip-hop fans here?

No? Okay...

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!

Define mainstream, but I'm guessing no will be the answer.

Some of it, yes.

Filmcore is one of those lofty genres, the only common trait is that it is/sounds like it is from a movie.

I can't really help much beyond that.

@Mainstream Hip-Hop. For the 5 minutes that Lupe Fiasco was popular, yes.

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Well, I like Eminem. And Public Enemy. And Ice T. The other rap groups/rappers I like I wouldn't consider mainstream, and the latter two I mentioned aren't mainstream anymore.

Ah, I remember him now. He was really good. I remember that "Superstar" song of his coming on the radio, and I was thinking to myself "You know, this guy could be the saviour of rap..."

edited 21st Nov '09 8:32:47 AM by Lordnecronus

last.fm | RYM

He got a lot of flack for Muhammed Walks which was essentially a song about how everyone talks about God from a Christian perspective.

He dropped off the map soon after, i hope he comes back some day though.

You know who else is okay? Kid Cudi.

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I liked Day And Night.

edited 21st Nov '09 8:38:34 AM by Wicked223

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!

Only heard that one "Day and Night" song from him. Initially, I thought it was alright. Then kids in my school started playing it ad nauseum, and then, lo and behold, it sucked because of overplaying.

But I've only heard that one song, so I can't give a proper opinion of Kid Cudi.

last.fm | RYM

edit: nevermind.

"Day and Night" isn't really his best song, but that's the one he'll probably be remembered for unfortunately.

edited 21st Nov '09 8:40:38 AM by El The Daze

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