Rename You Can Never Leave: You Can Never Leave

Additionally, crowners generally run until they stabilize. In this case, it's still getting votes. Granted, they're for the option that's currently winning, but the vote count is still actively changing. It's gone up one since my last post, to +24.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I honestly forgot it was less than a day.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

I had to look back, bit the post where I said I'd amde it and hooked it is the first one on this page.

No reason we can't continue to brainstorm for more possible new names, though. We've got a couple that have real promise, and several that got a lukewarm reception, but it would be better if we had half-a dozen or more.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I think you're being overly literal, though I do prefer Resignation Not Accepted. The current title gets grandfather points, but I can see confusion if someone knows the Trope Namer and is thinking more "City on the Edge of Forever" than Mafia.

How are the wicks, anyway? It was brought up, but we've been arguing over the relevance rather than looking. That shouldn't be dispositive but it's an important data point. That there's only one or two misuses among the examples points to either clarity or assiduous maintenance, two entirely differnt things in the context of a rename discussion.

Because it helps distinguish between the titles I don't understand because they're obscure or misleading and the titles I don't understand because Im ignorant and sheltered. We at Fo RKS want to protect the tropes named for Beatles songs from children of The '80s who've never heard of The Beatles.

That's what surveying the wicks and examples—"waiting for it to be misused" if you like—is useful for. If a title theoretically could be confusing, and it's been around long enough that misleadingness would have manifested itself, and it hasn't, that's strong evidence that it's not in fact misleading.

In this specific case, "a locked room" is a bit broad to be a likely trope at all.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

Personally, I do think this trope should be renamed, agreeing with the arguments that the current name isn't all that appropriate. I would suggest a replacement name be on the lines of the Kingdom Hearts 358 Days Over 2 quote made by Saix on the trope page (effectively making it the new Trope Namer), because how does one get about leaving an organization? By resigning. And how does this trope function? By said organization preventing and/or opposing such resignations.

^I believe this has been suggested a few times, or names based on that quote.

^Yes, but I believe that quote fits the basic idea of the trope, don't you?

Well despite the lovely "I love old things" argument given above, it looks like this has been overwhelmingly voted for a rename. Switch from single issue crowner to alternative name crowner?

edited 13th Jul '10 8:35:19 AM by Visla

Pacta sunt servanda, bitch!

It's been up for 10 days, and it would take a huge turn-around to overcome the lead "Yes, rename it" has. I'm going to lock the Single Prop and put up an empty Alternative Names Crowner (remember, "keep the current name" is not an option on an Alternative Names. If you don't like any of the ones suggested, vote them all down and/or add one you do like.)

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I think I got them all. Although I think one of them might be a work title. I'll have to go look.

Fight smart, not fair.

Voting on all of those was a marathon...

Pacta sunt servanda, bitch!

And yet none of them seem to be doing very well.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

Many of them are similar to the complaint about the current name - they could refer to workaholism just as easily. The clearer ones seem unpopular.

Have to admit that I've never seen so many negative votes before. How long will it be before one name wins out?

Doesn't look like any of them will come out far enough ahead to win. We don't just need a majority, we look for a consensus.

I just added another one: You Have To Die To Quit

edited 14th Jul '10 10:51:18 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I like that one!

I like You Can Quit When You Die better... it's snappier but says essentially the same thing.

That could be someone demanding that someone not give up on something.

edited 15th Jul '10 10:19:25 AM by Semiapies

So could You Have To Die To Quit. It's the same message, slightly different words.

Not really, but I'm not going to go into an extended argument about it.

A little bloodless, but nothing more interesting is supported at all.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

A minor change, if it's agreed, I think it would work better as Resignations Not Accepted, plural instead of singular. In the singular Resignation Not Accepted, it sounds like it could be a response to just one character, for whatever reason (like, you're resigning out of guilt and your boss won't let you). Resignations Not Accepted sounds like organizational policy.

Would anyone object to me editing that option in that way? It was suggested (similarly) by Visla earliest.

edited 20th Jul '10 6:31:08 PM by MoCellMan

Searching for plausible mechanisms.

Resignations Not Accepted sounds absolutely fine to me. It is definitely better than Regisnation Not Accepted for exactly the reason you explained and sounds a little better than my original No Resignations Accepted

edited 20th Jul '10 8:48:58 PM by Visla

Pacta sunt servanda, bitch!

I think it's too vague; think of scenes where someone's gone to resign due to failure or shame and eir superior has refused to accept that resignation as either a display of faith or impatience with the character giving up.

^ In its singular, I thought so too: it could be a response to just one character, for whatever reason (like, you're resigning out of guilt and your boss won't let you).

That's why I changed it to Resignations. I don't know if I've ever seen a scene where a whole group tendered there resignations and the supervisor refused to take any of them, and anyway, this makes it sound like a matter of policy rather than an individual case.

edited 21st Jul '10 5:45:05 PM by MoCellMan

Searching for plausible mechanisms.