Rename: Main/And The Fandom Rejoiced

That article bar confused me >_>.

Anyways, Link.

Seriously, I don't know what was so wrong with Cue Cullen in the first place. Sure, it was an obscure example, but no one misued it or anything. With this one, however... I've seen it used as to the fandom liking something (See, for example, the Kablam page), and it can be easily confused with that term, much like it happened to Do Not Want.

Any new ideas?

EDIT: Damn, remembered the name wrong... no way to change the title is there?

edited 30th Aug '10 8:28:52 PM by MetaFour

The rename was the result of a long series of discussions on the matter, And The Fandom Rejoiced was the name that won out through a troper poll and was done properly and respectfully through TV Tropes policy. The result means that it won't be changed again unless there is a superior name, and Cue Cullen simply isn't a superior name. It is not going to come back.

The biggest reason Cue Cullen was renamed was because (Peter) Cullen is no longer the most known "Cullen"; ever since Twilight, "Cullen" with no additional context is as, or more, likely to be assumed to be Edward Cullen.

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The rename was the result of a long series of discussions on the matter,

While obviously we don't want to rename something a week after it was already renamed, I don't think it makes sense for a rename to rule out the possibility of more renames forever. Especially when there has been enough time to see that the new name isn't working as well as we thought it would during the discussion.

Well, Tropes Are Flexible and maybe the hivemind is trying to tell us something here. What is wrong with just having a supertrope for all artistic decisions which win major fandom approval? Is casting choices such a huge standout issue that it needs its own subtrope?

edited 31st Aug '10 3:42:34 AM by TripleElation

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It's not just about casting choices, it's when an annoucement for a not-so-liked future project wins over the fans (adaptation, sequel). Casting is the most common, but photos of the set or trailers can also do it.

Though it has been heavily Trope Decay'd as "any cool anoucements".

Well, "And the Fandom Rejoiced" sounds like it's anything that wins over the fans. In other words, a supertrope.

Again, is this specifically happening to a future project rather than an ongoing project enough of a standout phenomenon to warrant its own trope? Both have similar motivations, characteristics and results. Maybe the original trope was The Same But More Specific for the trope we should've had in the first place.

edited 31st Aug '10 5:15:54 AM by TripleElation

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I agree that "Cue Cullen" wasn't a good name, but "And The Fandom Rejoiced" seems to be too broad of a title as well.

What is that page for? If it's "the announcement that a respected creative team or cast member will help to ignite interest or allay fears in the fanbase", that's one trope. If it's "trailers that actually show footage the audience will experience will help to ignite interest or allay fears in the fanbase", that's another. If it's "the number of preorders for a game explode because of an announcement," that's yet another. And so forth.

I readded "Main/" to the title-link-thing because the link wasn't working properly. Sorry!

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"The biggest reason Cue Cullen was renamed was because (Peter) Cullen is no longer the most known "Cullen"; ever since Twilight, "Cullen" with no additional context is as, or more, likely to be assumed to be Edward Cullen."

I'm not saying to revert the name to Cue Cullen, I say that we should change the name again, because it can be easily confused. I said that the rename was not needed because people were not misusing it, even though the name was obscure. Now that we changed it, however, people are confusing it, and I gotta say, before knowing that Cue Cullen had been renamed, I kind of confused it too.

There's some hilarious irony to be said in us confusing people by changing a name because we thought people might be confused by the old one.

edited 31st Aug '10 11:16:11 AM by KnownUnknown

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edited 31st Aug '10 11:16:01 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

"There's some hilarious irony to be said in us confusing people by changing a name because we thought people might be confused by the old one. "

I know right?

I say we simply leave in all the examples that involve the fandom losing their hate and construct another trope for the rest of the examples, WITHOUT renaming this one.

That would only mean that we would have to do this again in a while.

Not to mention, as I already said, the name is more general than its description.

And what is witht he emphasis on without? >_>.

edited 1st Sep '10 11:23:54 AM by alfredo094

Guys, we need a rename >_>. Or a good reason for not renaming it.

The big question is, was the trope headed towards Trope Decay before it was renamed? All of the claims of misuse seem to have happened even with Cue Cullen as the name. The page basically comes built with this problem because it is talking about something that pleases the fanbase, while the specifics involve a direct counterpoint to Unpleasable Fanbase. I don't think any rename will fix that.

edited 1st Sep '10 2:15:33 PM by KJMackley

Make it a supertrope.

This is backwards. We need a good reason to rename it first. Renaming is not the "default" choice.

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"The big question is, was the trope headed towards Trope Decay before it was renamed? All of the claims of misuse seem to have happened even with Cue Cullen as the name. The page basically comes built with this problem because it is talking about something that pleases the fanbase, while the specifics involve a direct counterpoint to Unpleasable Fanbase. I don't think any rename will fix that. "

I'm pretty sure that I started seeing misuses after it was renamed, not before.

edited 1st Sep '10 5:17:20 PM by alfredo094

Renaming it back to Cue Cullen would be a bad idea, but I agree with the premise that And The Fandom Rejoiced is a ridiculously ambiguous name for a trope. If we were going for an indicative name, we failed on this one.

Yeah, when it was Cue Cullen, it mostly stuck to popular-in-fandom VAs and other similar things to Cullen voicing Optimus Prime in Bayformers. (Yes, I like those movies. Shut up).

I can't think of a good rename for And The Fandom Rejoiced, however.

Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.

Before the topic on renaming it there was a clean-up discussion because fans were using it to describe anything that made the fandom happy, in fact a picture was put up from Penny Arcade showing their reaction to Team Ninja being hired to do a Metroid game. The lines in the description about how a fandom had to initially hate the prospect of a change came directly from that earlier discussion.

I don't see any difference in what's going on now and I'm pretty certain there is no magically "Perfect Name" that will prevent misuse like that. All tropes need maintenance and this is just one of those tropes that is so popular it needs more maintenance than others.

Well, can't we at least think a bit over a better name? And The Fandom Rejpiced sounds like a Super-Trope or something like that. I repeat, it may be only personal experience, but I'm seeing a lot more misuses, and stuff that isn't even close to the trope at hand.

I'm not saying to revert it to Cue Cullen, we could just think over a bit.