Wonka (2023 musical film)

I don't think he was lying. But I think he and the rest of the world would maybe have a different definition of "fine". I believe that version also suggests throwing Mike TV into the Taffy stretcher to sort him out, but they never show it.

Hell, the original novel might have had the same line because, again, Dhal was rather avilicious about his views and many times over his characters come out mentally scared but probably having learned a lesson of some kind.

Are we equally forgetting that this man also had a child cursed into being a mouse and "that was ok because I would live about as long as Grandma". I wouldn't really describe that as 'fine'.

At best, I consider Wilder's "fine" as a handwave and "Don't think about it".

The book had the bad kids come out of the factory dirty and/or deformed, which the remake movie adapted.

Also Violet in the Burton film ended up being more pleasant and Veruca's dad finally gained a spine.

Should have mentioned sooner, but there is also a musical now too.

And, in said musical, it leans into the darkness rather explicitly. Veruca is outright murdered by the squirrels and torn to shreds. Which then said Squirrels dance around with.

...so where do I find this musical version...

So are they finally going to explain what was with that nightmare tunnel?

Nope!If they did it would be an overcorrection

In a theater

Probably not, but I would love to see Wonka summon up the tunnel to banish the Chocolate Cartel to Hell.

Frankly, I prefer they don’t explain the tunnel at all. Keep it mysterious and cool. Why would it need to be explained anyway?

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Jul 14th 2023 at 3:35:21 PM

hell in this setting being

The dentists!

Hell yeah. Lets go full Event Horizon in this Chocolate Factory!

Edited by Guy01 on Jul 14th 2023 at 12:35:27 PM

Wonka: So this tunnel isn't safe and is known for causing hallucinatory effects?

Loompa: Yes, Mr. Wonka, but we can get rid of the mold, open up the ceiling, and see-

Wonka: No, no.

Loompa: Excuse me?

Wonka: ...I like this tunnel. -Hans Zimmer intensifies-

For those that want to see the "Veruca is murdered" musical number.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is something of an outlier in Dahl’s stories in that it’s full of bad children getting punished in gruesome ways while the protagonist wins by doing nothing being incorruptibly pure. While in most of his other books it’s cruel child-hating adults who get punished in over the top ways, and the lead protagonist is usually more of a Pragmatic Hero or a prankster who isn’t above breaking the rules to humiliate their enemies.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 14th 2023 at 1:18:09 AM

Willy Wonka is not Cruella De Vil, so he has a better chance of still becoming that Wonka for that reason. Whether or not that Cruella ever becomes that Cruella remains to be seen—and I agree, probably not likely either. I mean more in the spirit of how the origin would be built for Wonka rather than going down the exact same road as Cruella.

Yeah, the 1971 Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is deliberately ambiguous about whether or not the four kids make it out—and it could be either because they didn't think visuals for each one would be fitting or up to par or thought people thinking they didn't come out was the better morality tale. As a kid, I did think it was creative the way the book showed their fates even though the movie didn't—which I also thought was cool (that whole Laser-Guided Karma section of the story is everyone's favorite part for a reason ).

This is on point with Wonka obviously loving when kids are pleased by the wonder of it all and grateful for it. Would also explain why punishing those kids would show that he takes not being either of those things personally too.

Death by squirrels. Love it.

That the musical decides to openly kill them is something I don't like.

They may be jerks, but they're still kids, and the only reason I get to enjoy their punishments is because they survive in the end.

That they die is something I don't like.

"while the protagonist wins by doing nothing being incorruptibly pure."

It's something I like about the first cinematic version, is that Charlie fails like the other kids, but in the end he turns out to be worthy, by being able to give up the special candy.

Charlie isn't perfect, but he shouldn't be either.

The bad thing is that the second version turns him into practically a small Jesus.

Edited by LucienRen on Jul 15th 2023 at 10:36:04 AM

IIRC, in the musical not only does Veruca get ripped to pieces, but Violet explodes and Augustus probably drowns/boils to death in the chocolate.

Which... yeesh.

Dahl himself might've approved of that, though.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 15th 2023 at 12:45:29 PM

o_o This music sounds freaking awesome.

it sounds super edgy

Don't get me wrong I prefer the Wilder version being Lighter and Softer but child ripped apart by squirrels.

How did Wonka train them to do that.

To this day, Oompa Loompas still avoid going near the trees.

He gave Squirrel Girl a call.

He didn’t have to. Squirrels are the perfect killing machines.

I also don't particularly like the kids getting murdered either. Learn your lessons and come out better people.

I think it's worth noting that when the musical started on the West End, the audience enjoyed the darker morbid sense of humor.

Transferring to Broadway, those moments were met with shock.

We got a second trailer: