Germans Love David Hasselhoff / Americans Hate Tingle cleanup

Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go has this example of its sister trope (Americans Hate Tingle):

• Americans Hate Tingle:
  • The Thomas franchise is popular in Mexico, so they aired AEG on Canal 5 ahead of the US and UK. To the surprise of no one, it was so unpopular that they pulled it after a few days and replaced it with reruns of Big World! Big Adventures!
  • The UK utterly abhors the show and much of the heavy criticism and backlash towards the show comes from British fans, with even Britt Allcroft (creator of Thomas & Friends) and Veronica Chambers (daughter of Wilbert Awdry, creator of The Railway Series) joining in on the criticism. This is largely due to the show's drastic shift from its original British roots in favor of a far more Americanized setting, on top of having little in common with the original British books or TV show.
  • Don't go thinking that American fans care much for the show either... since the original Thomas & Friends and Railway Series inspired many American fans to learn more about their local railroad history as they got older with many going on to work/volunteer on steam heritage railroads as adults; they view the wacky and outlandish events of All Engines Go as a shallow imitation of the original more grounded series and books. Plenty of the original Thomas & Friends fans in America (many now parents themselves) have sworn they'll raise their children on "just the books and the old TV episodes."

I don't think these are examples, as the UK is Thomas's home country and it seems to be hated there, in fact it seems this series isn't liked in any country, so it is not this trope (also these feel very complainy)

We havent changed the name to include Americans Hate Tingle yet.

Perfect Synchronicity!

Did you guys get that double meaning lol?

Also I've seen many people just delete stuff without edit reasons from these pages. I want to know if going forward we should enforce not deleting stuff without reasons. Because most of these deletions are so old that most of these tropers dont edit anymore.

EDIT: Also feel free to remove those examples Bocchi! Do put an edit reason explaining why they had to go!

EDIT 2: A major misuse from Americans Hate Tingle films.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AmericansHateTingle/LiveActionFilms

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was as divisive in China as it is in America. Not only did the movie suffer from a 77% weekend drop (compared to the 69% drop domestically) but it was also trashed by a number of bloggers and professional critics with some describing the film as "intellectually insulting" and compared it to "facial paralysis". Much of the backlash stems from the misleading marketing as audiences expected a straightforward action-packed popcorn movie only to learn that the film is overstuffed with subplots and plays out more like a political thriller. Furthermore, many of the heavy-handed Christian symbolism and references to classical humanities were lost on Chinese audiences, many of whom aren't familiar with such concepts and ideas. Zack Snyder's Justice League did a complete 180 however, cumulating millions of views on streaming platforms Migu Video, Tencent Video and Bili Bili (even beating out the streaming debuts of the last two Avengers movies there) and getting rave audience scores.

If the movie is "as divisive as it is in America" then its the exact same reaction the home country did and as such is gross misuse.

Edited by AegisP on May 18th 2023 at 11:45:41 AM

Sorry for the double post but this entry from Americans Hate Tingle contradicts itself

• Independence Day has a fairly large fanbase in its native United States, but in almost every other country, it's unpopular due to its incredibly exaggerated nationalistic themes. However, both the film and its sequel made the majority of their box office revenue overseas, suggesting there's some international audience for it.

Curious question: How many Germans Love David Hasselhoff examples are about Japan specifically? Because I fear that a vast majority of the examples deal with Japan compared to those about other countries.

A joke for decades has be someone or something who's "Big in Japan", which is even mentioned in the trope's description. In the modern sense, Anime/Manga is also so popular on this site that there's gonna be plenty of focus on what is or isn't popular. This isn't a bad thing, but it can lead to some problems of Fan Myopia and a very western-centric view of popularity and cultural influence.

Yet another Japan example that seems like misuse. This is from Dua Lipa's YMMV page.

• Germans Love David Hasselhoff: While definitely not overshadowing her popularity in the States, she's surprisingly popular in Japan, at least popular enough to get dedicated Japanese translations of some of her music videos, which is uncommon.

By comparing her popularity in Japan to that in America, I get the impression that whoever wrote this entry forgot that Dua is British. So, how does her popularity in Japan compare to that in Britain?

Based on the chart/sales data I could find, it seems she doesn't do quite as well commercially in Japan as she does on either side of the Pond, where her popularity is more or less equal (some singles do better in the UK, others do better in the US).

Tropical Rouge Pretty Cure on the anime section says the series didnt do well in merch sales ignoring it was the Number 1 best selling toy for girls in Japan so this is wrong.

@Aegis P Seems like the indepence day exemple is speaking of critical reception as opposed to just commercial success. Which might still be misuse and would still require verification since It seems like it is pretty well liked (though I have definitely seen the opinion that it is "America Saves the Day" to a absurd degree, even from people who do like the film, so maybe this aspect of the film specifically is less appreciated out of the US)

On a unrelated note Rumiko Takahashi is noted as a example of Germans Love David Hasselhoff for her popularity in the US. While she's definitely popular here, there's two problems with that. 1) She's also extremely popular in western Europe (don't know about the rest of Europe), especially french speaking countries, where Urusei Yatsura or Ranma ½ were among the first mangas to gain massive popularity in the 80s/early 90s, and in 2019 she won grand prix at Angoulême Comics Festival. Which wouldn't disqualify her as a case of Germans Love David Hasselhoff per se, but... 2) She's is also immensely popular in her home country, with several successful long runners, and a notable influence on the medium. (That is in fact the reason why I refrained from writing a example on her European popularity years ago.)

All in all this seems like a case of worldwide success

Looking up Dua Lipa in Japanese on youtube, I can't find any on the subtitles videos the entry is mentioning, unless they are on other Japanese video sharing sites like Nico TV.

I think this trope can only be best cleanup up if we have a defintive source (like news sites and what not) because, in isolation, some of these entries for GLDH and AHT read as "What's the source? Trust me bro".

Yeah, I don't think Rumiko Takahashi counts. An individual series, like Inuyasha, might, but even then Inuyasha wasn't unpopular in Japan. Besides, some of her works, like Urusei Yatsura, are Americans Hate Tingle examples.

Also I know this is just my experience but Spanish Speaking latin americans also loved Independence Day and is one of Gerardo Reyero's most popular and memorable roles in Latin American dubbing.

Can I get some opinions on Tropical Rouge?

Edited by AegisP on Jun 20th 2023 at 8:14:01 AM

I've honestly never heard of that show until now...

Anyway, I found this entry on Butt-Ugly Martians:

• Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Was most popular in the UK, at least with the people marketing it.

First of all, it looks like a partial context example at best. Second of all, it looks like misuse because Just Entertainment, one of the companies behind the show, is British, which means that this was apparently a very popular show... in its home country?

Does anyone else have anything to say about this entry?

I know its an unfamiliar show to most people but I already gave the context that it sold amazingly well in Japan (Sure it didnt make much money since COVID and all but it sold amazingly well given the circumstances.)

EDIT: This is major misuse CUT CUT CUT!

Edited by AegisP on Jun 21st 2023 at 10:20:17 AM

I think every example should require a source. Like if a Japanese character is unpopular in one region (Danganronpa's Akane Owari in America comes to mind) we should require a link to the character polls of the West.

I know I keep on touting my own horn but we should just put a "If a Google search immediately proves the example wrong it should be deleted." As in if we cant find immediate evidence with a simple search then its not an example.

Ironically My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, may not be an example in Japan but it is in Latin America. It airs on top channel Discovery Kids which is amazingly successful in the region and the USA ratings would have warranted a swift death way earlier if it was not a worldwide success.

Found this on The Adventures of Bottle Top Bill and His Best Friend Corky

• Germans Love David Hasselhoff: The show appears to be more popular in Brazil than in Australia or the rest of the English-speaking world - the show's Portuguese Wikipedia page is significantly more detailed than the English one, and, as of 12 March 2022, statistics reveal that Brazil has had the leading number of visits to the show's wiki over the past 30 days.

Putting aside the unnecessary use of bolding, is using the show's Wikipedia page an actual way of measuring popularity?

That's a VERY good question, I've seen it used a lot. The Wikipedia page size. It's NOT direct proof but it is a clue. It should not be used to mean "X COUNTRY LOVES THIS THING" but as additional proof. And it seems the example shows actual data later on anyway.

But how popular it's Wikipedia page is doesn't seem like a good way of gauging popularity

Look I told you what I thought, and I did point out its not enough proof. You are going to need more consensus to remove that.

In light of current information that's been unearthed from the Chinese side of the Genshin Impact fandom, I'd like to propose Scaramouche/Wanderer as an example of Germans Love David Hasselhoff:

Genshin Impact: Scaramouche/Wanderer has been an extremely controversial character in China, with many people hating his character quest and calling him a war criminal who got off scot-free. The few Scaramouche fans face constant harassment online and have been given a derogatory nickname^note "Sanjie", while Scaramouche's CN VA has been harassed online. On a poll of which characters were most disliked on the CN server, Scaramouche featured on a whopping 76% of people's lists. On the JP and EN sides, Scaramouche is not nearly as controversial and is fairly well-liked.

That's more like Americans Hate Tingle

Americans Hate Tingle is for when a character is hated outside their home country. China is Genshin's home country.

No it isnt. China IS the homecountry, and abroad is Germany in this example so to speak. As in "The homecountry of the character/media HATES this character but they are loved abroad." So it is an example. All I want is some links and confirmation and you are good to go to add the example!

EDIT: Got 'd

Edited by AegisP on Jul 31st 2023 at 2:38:05 AM