Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Just a starting content creator
Goku Black
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Lucy
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Not the Eye
Lucy and Heinz quote
Not really feeling Renard quote, also can we please not ignore quotes proposed on previous page?
to Renard and Heinz’s quotes.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Hitler and Zeni quotes not feeling the Bailey quote though, sorry for the miss
I like all three of the Forbidden Worlds quotes and the General Heinz quote.
Not feeling the Renard quote.
There's also currently a discussion in the Page Quote Discussion Thread to change the Star Wars quote to the suggested Palpatine quote, so if you want to join the discussion, please do so.
Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 17th 2024 at 4:07:43 PM
"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him
The Draftsman of Doom
Yes to Lucy.
Rawr.
for Lucy Wenner.
Potential header for the Video Games Fan Works page:
Though not playable experiences like the medium that these works are based on, these works created by their fans have no shortage of irredeemable villains.
Lucy
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Lucy and a late one to Ian McDiarmid's quote (reminds a little Sergi Lopez talking about Captain Vidal)
for Lucy.
Yes to Lucy and have some writeupes!
- Outlaw Star (1998 anime):
- Lord Hazanko is the backstabbing, power-hungry leader of the Kei Pirates Guild's 108 Stars. A crime lord and master sorcerer who tortures any who cross him to death, Hazanko callously sends dozens of his men to their deaths to recover the stolen Outlaw Star. Scoffing at the insignificance of his loyal followers before trying to claim the coveted Galactic Leyline, Hazanko horribly murders an interfering man. Plotting a war against his superiors that will threaten the whole universe, Hazanko then uses the Leyline to empower himself, fusing his own screaming soldiers and ship to his body and prepares for his grand conquest.
- "Gravity Jailbreak": The warden of Gehenna prison delights in confining countless inmates in his jail where planet Hecatoncheires' crushing gravity slowly kills them. Punishing any who defy him by locking them in an even higher gravity section for torture, the warden also brutally beats any who try to escape to death with his guard robots.
- The Butler: Thomas Westfall is an ill-tempered young cotton plantation owner who uses his workers like slaves. Deciding to rape the mother of Cecil Gaines—implied to do so regularly with attractive female workers—Thomas then shoots Cecil's father dead for protesting, demanding his other farmhands carry on lest he kill them as well.
- "Enter the Fanatic, Stage Centre", by Harlan Ellison: The bearded man who comes to Prince using the name "Gunther Duvoe" is a demonic being who goes from town to town painting people's darkest secrets to tear them apart. Culminating in his depiction of a vigilante murder committed in Prince, Duvoe delights in the ensuing riots killing many, revealing his nature to the horrified Reverend before shooting the man dead and leaving to continue his work.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Pending (besides the NYPD Blue stuff; Fright Krewe stuff; and my own):
- Carl Reissman (Atlantis)
- Renegade Nell: Earl of Poynton (Emerald)
- Linden Lark (Orangutans)
- Ivo Shandor (Ravok)
- Mordred (Starkrafty)
Shin Megami Tensei IV
pronounced 'Scraggle'
- Fright Krewe:
- Gilda is a demon passing as an unassuming old lady whose modus operandi is to prey on the desperate. In exchange for nothing but a simple painting, Gilda will magically solve whatever catastrophe is going on in her clients' lives. Only then does she double around to reveal the true price of her deals: she traps the souls of her unfortunate victims in the painting, where they meet all manners of horrifying deaths before Gilda eats their remaining years and leaves their souls trapped in the painting. A master of Exact Words, Gilda has been doing this song-and-dance for decades, and she's tricked countless dozens into joining the gallery of ever-screaming paintings she has framed in her shop.
- Downward Into Darkness: Mordred Glendower was an Evil Sorcerer who discovered the wretched secret of immortality. In a horrific ritual that entails the cannibalisation of infants, Mordred learned how to pass his soul onto his male descendants by way of possession and incestuous rape, using his male descendants to impregnate his female ones, and then body-jacking the resultant baby to eventually repeat the process on the next generation. Mordred influenced his entire bloodline into incest for the next four centuries to keep himself alive; upon taking form in his current host, fifteen-year-old Patrick Laughlin, Mordred uses his body to torture, rape, and murder innocent people with cruel satisfaction, keeping Patrick's mind helpless to resist in his own body.
Edited by Starkrafty on Apr 17th 2024 at 3:21:39 AM
Watch for the sign of the Saint — he will be back!
...Phenomenal
for Lucy.
Lies and Violence!
Yes to Lucy.
- Renegade Nell: Robert Hennessey, the Earl of Poynton, is a Jacobite warlock aiming to gain power by seating James Francis Edward Stuart on the British throne. Disdainful toward the prospect of granting "ordinary" people power in government, Poynton schemes to bring about a war so as to take over and rule through his Puppet King. As part of his machinations, Poynton manipulates the spoiled Thomas Blancheford into becoming a murderer who kills first Nell Jackson's father and then his own—an act that corrupts his very soul, all for the purpose of providing an ingredient for Poynton's dark magics. Poynton, despite his friendly guise, is ultimately nothing more than an elitist, power hungry snake who would betray everyone—whether it involves framing a fellow earl or attacking his apprentice Sofia when she refuses to endanger her brother—if it means his victory atop a mountain of corpses.
Current mood: sick of your shit
Lucy, Palpatine
Alright, it's been 2 weeks since the final season of Alex Rider came out, so here we go
The work
Alex Rider (2020) is an adaptation of the Alex Rider book series, following Alex Rider, a British teenager who gets entangled into the dangerous world of spies working with the Department and has to deal with the sinister Nebulous Evil Organization Scorpia, who commit terrorism for hire.
Season 2 ended with Alex learning from Yassen Gregorivich, a hitman that works for Scorpia, that Alex's father was his friend and to find the Widow to learn his past, so in season 3 Alex goes out on his own as he tries to learn the truth about everything.
My candidate is someone who already counts in the books and counts here too, the Widow, Julia Rothman.
Who is Julia Rothman
Julia Rothman publicly is a reclusive wealthy art patron, when in truth she's a member of Scorpia and is effectively is it's leader in the modern day.
Years ago Alex's father, John Rider was a distinguished member of the British army, before accidentally killing a man in a Bar Brawl and got dishonorably discharged. Scorpia saw him as a perfect operative and recruited him. Except that was actually just a cover and he was working for the Department to infiltrate Scorpia.
During John's time undercover he became close with Julia, exchanging letters with her, with Julia eventually falling in love with him while he used her for information. Eventually John had enough and wanted to retire to be a father to his newborn son Alex, so got "captured" by the Department and faked his death in a prisoner exchange.
Things didn't work out though, as Julia learned the truth of the matter and had John and his wife killed with a bomb in revenge. But the intel John had given let the Department nearly destroy Scorpia, with the organization sinking into the shadows for years, only reemerging to help the deranged plans of the villains of the seasons 1 and 2, Greif and Cray which Alex foils.
After those failures, Julia decides that Scorpia should something do on it's own, without a client to reestablish and creates operation Invisible Sword, a way of killing anyone in the world whenever they want by covertly releasing tiny pieces of gold with cyanide in the air so people will breathe them in, where when they're exposed to a high frequency broadcast it will break the gold and deliver a fatal dose of cyanide. Julia plans on using this to expand Scorpia's influence and get revenge on the Department at the same time.
For this Julia pays Dr. Kovacic for his new creation, pharmaceutical nanotechnology and then has him killed and his research destroyed after he askes for more money.
She then sends a message to the British government demanding they forgive all debt they have in Third World countries or they'll use Invisible Sword to kill hundreds of thousands of people.
After they initially don't believe Invisible Sword exists Julia kills the entire British Reserve football team as a demonstration, with all of them just suddenly dying of heart attacks.
After this she tells them that they have 3 days to forgive the debt or Scropia will kill an entire city next, with the real plan being that there's no way the government will fulfill the demands, so she'll kill the city, plunge Britain into chaos and threaten other countries with the same fate if they don't fall in line.
During all this Alex's search leads him to her villa in Malta and Julia is very interested in him once she learns he's there, so she brings him to Malagosto, a training facility for Scorpia operatives and tells him his father used to be one of them before Alex's old handler Mrs. Jones had him murdered in cold blood during the hostage exchange and convinces Alex to join Scorpia.
Julia has Alex trained but is disappointed by his reluctance to kill, so she sends him out on mission to a nearby mansion with Yassen, supposedly to steal something, but really it belongs to Max Grendel, another executive in Scorpia who objected to Invisible Sword and has Yassen kill him.
After this she sends Alex to London to kill Mrs. Jones and then return to her so he can be with her when Invisible Sword goes down.
Alex goes to Mrs. Jones but doesn't go through with killing her, but the Department uses this to fake her death and make it seem like they arrested Alex.
When Yassen makes it clear he wants to rescue Alex, Julia shuts him down as she only wanted him there to watch him die as she had him dosed with the nanotech so he'd die in Invisible Sword as well.
Alex comes up with a plan and fakes an escape and gets in touch with Julia and meets her in Bath, the city they're planning on murdering.
Julia starts the transmitters to kill the city and figures out Alex knows the truth when the Department commandos he lead there storm the building, with Alex going off to stop the transmitter while Julia tries to flee, only to run into Mrs. Jones, where Julia taunts her before she shoots her in the head.
Mitigating qualities
Ultimately none, Julia either subverts anything redeeming or reveals it never existed in the first place, she's pure Faux Affably Evil.
She was in John, but once she learned he was a mole that love turned into obsessive hatred that lasted for decades, well after she had killed him and his wife and turns into wanting to kill his son as well just to fulfill her revenge against him.
She tells Max Grendel that he was a mentor and a friend to her but when he objects to her plan she has him killed without a hint of remorse.
She's all friendly with Alex but all of it was a ruse just so she could see the look of betrayal on his face as he died.
Her demands were for Britain to forgive the debt it had in third world countries but those were just deliberately unreasonable demands and she gives a whole speech in the first episode that truly great works can only come from sacrificing the needy.
She had a husband Nicolai, but he's barely mentioned and we're told nothing about their relationship except that's why she called the Widow.
She's not even loyal to Scorpia, both Max and Yassen call her out on endangering their entire organization just to sate her personal revenge, and Julia flat out tells Yassen "I am Scorpia" in response.
Heinousness
So the show has a high standard, though it's not as high as the books where multiple unrelated bad guys try to kill thousands to millions of people.
In the show Greif wanted to have his clones to subtly take over the world to purge the world of 99% of it's population while Cray tried to hijack America's nuclear launch codes to nuke multiple countries to destroy the world's drug supply.
But first, Julia as the effective head of Scorpia helped supply both of their schemes, providing men and support to them knowing full well they'd kill millions.
Second is Julia's plan is quite nasty herself. She tries to kill a hundred thousand people as a test of might with the show making it clear that the murder of an entire city would plunge Britain into chaos, saying the UK would be "left in ruins", with Julia planning using this as a demonstration to every country in the world to comply with Scorpia's demands or she'll do the same to them, threatening countless more lives.
Add in some personal cruelty, like manipulating Alex to gain his trust just to see the look on his face when she betrays him and killing his parents.
Conclusion
In the end Julia subverts anything possibly redeeming about herself and tries to kill a shit ton of people, easy
for Julia Rothman.
Hey all, I got a new proposal. Emperor Alexander from Skul: The Hero Slayer.
What is the work?
Skul the Hero Slayer is an action roguelike where you play as Skul, a young skeleton who servers the Demon Kingdom. In the game's world, there are two nations, the Demon Kingdom, led by the Demon King, and the human Carleon Empire. For centuries, Demons and Humans were locked in a bitter war, but recently, a legendary hero known as the First Hero was able to slay the Demon King. His replacement, a young man who believed Demons and Humans could live in peace, was able to establish a tentative truce between the Demon Kingdom and Carleon. However, the game starts with this peace shattered as the First Hero suddenly personally leads a massive Carleon assault on the Demon Kingdom, ransacking the Demon Palace and taking many Demons, including the Demon King, captive. As one of the few Demons who escaped the assault, it falls to Skul to save his fellow Demons and rescue the Demon King.
However, as the story goes on, it soon becomes clear that there's more to the First Hero's sudden aggression then meets the eye. It turns out that the First Hero was driven half-mad with grief over the recent death of his son, and he blames the Demon King for his son's death due to having seen him with his son's body at the time of his death. In reality, his son was murdered by a Carleon soldier mutated by Dark Quartz after he inadvertantly stumbled upon the Emperor's Dark Quartz experiments. It also turns out that Skul is the First Hero's son, risen as a Skeleton. During the final battle, the First Hero is so blinded by grief and so firmly believes that the Demons are a threat to Carleon that he fights to the bitter end, forcing Skul to seemingly kill him in order to save the Demon King.
This was initially the end...until a recent update added the true ending sequence to the game, which introduced the Emperor.
Who is Emperor Alexander? What has he done?
Alexander is the Emperor of Carleon and is quickly shown to be one of the most hateful and megalomaniacal beings in the entire game. In the game's backstory, Alexander is shown to have established a brutally racist and classist society in Carleon, where those deemed of lesser birth or are "different" from "pure" humans in any way are ruthlessly oppressed. This included the Fist Hero himself when he was a young boy. After the First Hero's victory over the old Demon King, the Emperor quietly stole the bodies of his slain party members and used their corpses in twisted Dark Quartz experiments. He also began a bloody pogrom against Demons and anyone even suspected of sympathizing with them, which led to countless deaths that only stopped after the new Demon King and the First Hero proposed the peace agreement. While the Emperor still hated Demons, he saw an opportunity in the proposed truce to further his experiments into Dark Quartz, and agreed to the truce. In the internim years, he continued to conduct horrific experiments with the Dark Quartz, sometimes on his own citizens, in the hopes of one day creating an army that would wipe out the Demons entirely.
One day, the First Hero's son ended up stumbling upon one of his experiments. Seeing an opportunity to finally realize his genocidal ambitions, Alexander ordered the young boy killed, then manipulated events so that the First Hero would believe the Demon King was responsible. Alexander then directed the First Hero's grief and rage against the Demon Kingdom, leading to the events of the main game. Under his orders, the Demons are subjected to brutal, torturous experiments in order to use their blood and corpses to create a Dark Quartz-fueled Chimera to serve as the "avatar" of Leonia, Carleon's patron goddess. His ultimate goal, however, was to use the Demon King's blood to turn himself into a god-like being who could wipe out the Demons entirely.
After Skul defeats the First Hero, Alexander manages to retrieve the First Hero's barely alive body and sticks him in a stasis pod in order to use his blood to create an army of cloned Super Soldiers based on his DNA. He then personally leads this army of clones and Quartz enhanced soldiers against the Demon Castle, recapturing the Demon King. When Skul comfronts him, Alexander shows his complete Lack of Empathy and racism, deriding Demons for their "impurity" and mocking the First Hero for being an "easily swayed fool" despite the fact that he had served the Emperor loyally for years. After Skull defeats him twice, first as a Quartz-enhanced being and then in his massive, Quartz-powered mecha, Alexander flies into a rage and attempts to destroy the Demon Castle and everyone in it with a massive Dark Quartz bomb, which is only barely averted. His mecha destroyed, Alexander pleads for mercy, swearing that he will do penance for his crimes, but Skul knows this is a trick, so Alexander blasts him with dark magic and is about to kill him before the First Hero, now recovered, appears and helps Skul's allies hold off Alexander's reinforcements while Skul battles the Emperor himself for the final time. Finally defeated and dying, Alexander shows zero remorse for his crimes, his only regret being that he was unable to create a "pure" world for humanity where Demons are extinct.
Any mitigating factors?
Not really. Alexander swears up and down that the genocide of the Demons is the "will of Leonia", but there's nothing in the game's lore that suggests this. There isn't even any evidence that Leonia herself is even real. And any claim that he's trying to protect his people falls flat because he's shown to be all too willing to use them in his experiments and callously refers to the countless Carleon soldiers Skul has felled as "failures" who deserved to die for being unable to stop the little skeleton.Does he fit the heinous standard?
I'd say very much so. As mentioned above, the First Hero is ultimately blinded by grief and anger, genuinely seeks to protect Carleon's commonfolk, and recognizes the vices of Carleon's upper society. The only antagonist who really comes close to Alexander's heinousness is the Head Alchemist in the third zone who created the Chimera, and even then everything he did was under Alexander's orders.
Final thoughts
Despite his claims to be Leonia's "Chosen One", its clear that Emperor Alexander is just a vile, hatefully racist man who is hellbent on committing genocide against an entire race simply because they're different from humans. In the end, he was far more evil and vile then any the Demons he so despised.Edited by SomeNewGuy on Apr 17th 2024 at 10:10:51 AM
Shamelessly plugging my comics, Oh yes.
Carrot Clone
Julia
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Lucy
"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him