Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Here's to a promising future. Glad to be here with y'all.
The First man
Lizzid people!
What is the work?
Smile (2022) is a 2022 psychological horror film directed by Parker Finn adapted from his short film Laura Hasn't Slept.
In the film, Dr. Rose Cotter (Sosie Bacon) becomes the target of a supernatural curse following the events of a patient's suicide. She starts seeing people around her smiling sinisterly at her learning that she had about 4 days before she succumbed to the curse.
Who is it? What has it done?
The Smile Entity is a demon that feeds off trauma. It imparts a curse on its victims and stalks and psychologically tortures them for days until it fully possesses them. Ensuring that a witness is watching, the Smile Entity would then make its host graphically kill themselves before repeating the process on the witness. It had done this enough times to rake up 19 victims.
When Dr. Rose Cotter's latest patient, a PhD student, kills herself in front of her, the Smile Entity marks her as its next victim. It psychologically abuses and gaslights her making others think she was insane including manipulating Rose into killing her pet cat and giving it to her nephew as a birthday gift.
Eventually after researching the curse, Rose decides that overcoming her childhood trauma would defeat the entity. Upon returning to her childhood home, it takes the form of her mother and attacks her. Rose manages to set the Smile Entity on fire and escapes the house. Or so she thought.
It turns out that she never actually entered the house with the events transpiring being a deliberate trap set up by the Smile Entity to buy itself enough time to lure Joel. Rose is fully taken over by the Smile Entity despite her efforts. Joel breaks into the house only to see a grinning Rose douse herself in lighter fluid and set herself ablaze.
Mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?
It feeds on trauma, but it is never indicated that it is the physical embodiment of trauma. It has the personality of a sadistic demon that relishes the suffering it causes and is fully able to speak and form plans.
Is he bad enough?
As the sole antagonist of the film, the Smile Entity has around 19 victims which it psychologically tortured and gaslighted.
Edited by AustinDR on Jan 21st 2023 at 2:12:46 AM
Yes to the Smile Entity
Professor Gigachad
Remember the new rules are you can't vote until 24 hours has passed since the proposal has been made. Smile Entity sounds like a pretty easy keeper from what I have heard.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
I guess I'll do mine then.
What is the work?
Padmaavat is a 2018 Indian historical epic film based on the 16th century epic poem Padmavat (with just one "a" apparently) which tells the story of the princess Padmavati and her lover, Ratan Singh, ruler of the Rajput city of Chittor. It also has a very grim ending, which we'll be getting to.
Who is the villain?
Alauddin Khilji, who is based on Alauddin Khalji, the villain of the poem, who is based on the real life historical figure of the same name, and from what I've read subjected to a hefty dose of Historical Villain Upgrade (also definitely not to be confused with Aladdin). Alauddin is the Sultan of Delhi, who rose to power by helping his uncle Jalaluddin usurp the throne of Delhi, and then killing him to become the Sultan himself. He's also a rapacious sex hound looking to add any beautiful woman he sets his eyes on to his harem.
What does he do?
Early on the film, Alauddin pledges to join Jalaluddin's army and help him seize the throne of Delhi in exchange for the hand of his daughter Mehrunisa in marriage. On the night of their wedding however, Alauddin, being not just evil but also a douchebag, cheats on her with another woman and kills one of her courtiers when she sees him doing so.
After helping Jalaluddin become the Sultan of Delhi, Alauddin begins leading his army in unsanctioned attacks on other territories so he can add more women to his harem, including a raid on the city of Devagiri in which he captured its princess and made her become his concubine. After having his followers kill Jalaluddin and becoming the Sultan himself, Alauddin learns of the beauty of Padmavati from the exiled Rajput priest Raghan Chetan, and sets out to make her his own, even though she's already fallen in love with Rajput ruler Ratan Singh. When Padmavati and Ratan reject his invitation to come to Delhi, Alauddin leads his army to lay siege to the Rajput capital of Chittor, to no avail thanks to the city's defense. After six months of failure, Alauddin decides to try a different tactic and asks to be invited into the city's palace under the guise of a truce. Ratan allows him to enter - alone - and keeps from seeing Padmavati's face. Alauddin then invites Ratan to see his war tent, but once Ratan is out alone, Alauddin breaks the truce and captures him.
Alauddin then brings Ratan back to Delhi to hold him prisoner and use him to blackmail Padmavati into coming to see him. Padmavati agrees, but makes several demands, including sending her the severed head of Raghan Chetan, which Alauddin obliges. Once Padmavati arrives in Delhi however, she receives help in freeing Ratan from Mehrunisa and escapes without Alauddin even getting to see her. A furious Alauddin then has Mehrunisa taken to the dungeon to be locked up for the rest of her life before leading his army back to Chittor to lay siege to it once again. Ratan then agrees to fight Alauddin in a one-on-one duel (having apparently still not learned his lesson not to trust Alauddin) and actually defeats him, but Alauddin's henchman Malik Kafur then stabs him under the back before he can finish Alauddin off.
Having killed Ratan through underhanded tactics, Alauddin and his army easily break through Chittor's defenses and go to pillage the city and rape all of its women. Before they can get to any of them however, and before Alauddin can lay his hands on Padmavati, Padmavati leads all of the women to burn themselves to death before they can be raped and murdered. Leaving Alauddin having utterly failed to accomplish his goal, but unfortunately still unpunished.
Heinous Standard
Alauddin pretty much sets it for the movie. He drives the whole entire plot, commits the most horrible atrocities and instigates what is probably one of the biggest Downer Endings in the history of film. Granted, he didn't personally burn all the women to death, but considering the alternative was rape and murder at the hands of Alauddin's army, they didn't really have any favorable options. And although it's a feudal setting where such practices would likely be commonplace in real life (I'm not an Indian history scholar though so I apologize if I'm wrong) Alauddin's barbarism is repeatedly contrasted with the honor and moral principles of the Rajputs he so cruelly lays siege to, so within the world of the film he definitely exceeds the heinous standard.
Mitigating Factors
None. Alauddin cheated with his first wife on their wedding day (yet still expects her to be loyal to him) and later sends her to the dungeon for freeing someone he wrongfully took captive. His "love" for Padmavati and all other women he seeks in the movie doesn't amount to anything more than simple lust, as evidenced by his mistreatment of them. The only character who's really close to him is Malik Kafur, a slave who was given to him as a gift, but even then Alauddin doesn't reciprocate. He openly admits to seeing Malik as lower than him, comparing himself and Ratan to diamonds (since they're both monarchs) and telling Malik he doesn't measure up to them. So it's safe to say Alauddin's concerns start and end squarely with "Alauddin". He's so self-centered, he even goes as far to tear up any historical documents that don't mention his name, believing all of history should be about him.
Final Verdict
Yes. Alauddin may be an entertaining villain but he's also a very bad man.
Just imagine something here.
On the trope page for the film, it says he ordered Malik to rescue his pet birds when his tent is on fire. Is that an indication of caring about them?
The Ultimate Lifeform
What is the work?
A Blight on Bonesborough is a Roleswap AU of The Owl House, where Luz Noceda and Amity Blight trade places. Amity takes the role of the Human arriving on the Boiling Isles and taken under the wing of Eda, and Luz takes the role of the talented Witch already living there.
Who is Philip Wittebane and what has he done?
Hooo boy do I have a doosy for you all. Philip Wittebane/Emperor Belos is the main villain of the story, just as he is in the source material. And just like in the source material, he is a racist, serial killing, child murdering, sibling slaughtering, genocidal psycopath. Everything that Canon!Belos did up to the end of Season 2 has been committed by this incarnation of the character give or take, with several additions to his repsheet.
For starters, as stated above Philip has all of his canon crimes down pat. The murder of his brother Caleb and the dozens if not hundreds of Grimwalkers he made to perfect Caleb, the serial murder of Witches and Demons, the devouring of thousands of Palismen and their souls to extend his life, etc. He adds on to this by first being stated to be the cause of the extinction of the normally peaceful Basilisks, dredging up fear and resentment of them and using it to help increase his grip on the Boiling Isles, so that's two genocides now, one of which was successful. Due to some alterations to the events of the Fic's version of The Owl House S2E16 "Hollow Mind", instead of getting smashed against a wall by the Collector, his backstabbing of them is actually successful as he immediately cuts his losses and flees into the Human Realm.
Here we get to the bulk of Belos' changes as the fic has it's own original Season 3. Philip makes a deal with the Human Iterations of Alador and Odalia Blight to make him an army of improved Abomitons that he then sends over to the Boiling Isles as a testing of how dangerous they are, more than happy to see them cause as much damage and end as many lives as they can. He does this because he still wants everyone on the Boiling Isles dead. After this, he takes the Abomitons with him to raid the newly erected prison meant to house all of his conspirators and kidnaps them, and King in order to recreate the circumstances for the Day of Unity. He kidnapped King so he could violently murder the young Titan for his Blood (Though King gets better) which he needs to free the Collector in exchange for the Collector recreating the eclipse needed to power his draining spell. When Belos gets confronted by the heroes he calmly brushes off the prior defeat of Odalia as her being incompetent despite being a Christian Fundamentalist Humano-Supremacist. Because he violently murdered King in front of the Collector who wants King as a friend, the Collector refuses to recreate the eclipse resulting in a pissed Philip trying to kill all the heroes himself and getting tricked into using his magic in a place that it doesn't work which causes his body to disintegrate as his magic was the only thing holding it together.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Hahahaha! No! Belos never displays anything even approaching love or sympathy for everyone. Remember that just like in the source material, Philip killed his own brother out of racist spite because said brother fell in love with a Witch, and his Grimwalkers (Which he killed enough of to create a literal mountain of skeletons in his closet) were an attempt to perfect Caleb, or rather his view of what Caleb should have been. And everyone else is just another name to be scratched off the list if they are a Witch or Demon, or someone who turned their back on the ways of God if they are Human.
Are they bad enough?
Absolutely. The man has three genocides to his name, one successful albeit offscreen, and two unsuccessful, but onscreen. Not to mention the amount of deaths to his name is frankly chilling, from his brother to King, no one is safe from this utter bastard. He didn't even start off with that many resources and the amount of resources he had when he committed the crimes that distinguished himself from his canon counterpart really wasn't that high, not to mention that no one else even comes close in terms of heinousness.
Final verdict?
I wouldn't be effortposting this bastard if I didn't think he keeps. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
from me. The only concern I have is do you guys think he distinguished himself enough from Canon!Belos? I ran it by Scraggle who has TOH reserved, as well as Lighty and they both thought so.
Edited by ForgoLight on Jan 16th 2023 at 12:45:34 PM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
The Dark Priest himself
Oh yeah, and I have a villain from a obscure Gundam manga too, meet the manga version of Shiba-I Sazabi from the manga version of BB Senshi Sangokuden! And yes, since I also made his VW proposal it will have the same words. While the anime counterpart of Shiba-I Sazabi is has redeeming qualities and isn’t even heinous, the same cannot be said to his manga counterpart.
What is the work?
BB Senshi Sangokuden is based on the Chinese novel Romance of the Three Kingdom, which is widely loved by Japanese and lead to the creation of this manga, which replaces all characters in the novel with Mobile Suits. The manga is usually light-hearted, however, with Shiba-i, the atmosphere gets dark.
Who is Shiba-I?
Shiba-i is the strategist for kingdom Giga. The leader of the kingdom is Sousou, who Shiba-i is supposed to serve. Shiba-i has an obsession with the G Chronicles, which is a myth about Mirisha, the world that the plot take places in. He is determined to make the event of G Chronicles came true, which is destroying Mirisha and recreates it. In order to achieve this, he manipulated Sousou to start war with other kingdoms. He also manipulated Sousou to let him uses a weapon called ' Shinkahihou'. Which is a giant phoenix shaped cannon ball that contains enough gunpowder to completely destroy Mirisha. He tried to fire it vertically during the Battle of Red Cliff, but the Shinkahihou is destroyed by Sousou and Ryubi. In the end both Sousou and Ryubi gone missing, thus allowing Shiba-i to gain control of Giga. Than, Shiba-i sent Kaku to kill Bachou and Houtoku, who are powerful warriors that are friends with each other. Shiba-i had Kaku to make Houtoku gone berserk to kill innocents, causing Bachou and Houtoku to kill each other, in the end Houtoku died, which in cause Bachou to go berserk too. However, Bachou is knocked out by Sousou, who had returned.
Eventually Shiba-i started the ritual to summon Shuu Neue Ziel, who is a dark lord that had 'dyed the land of Mirisha with blood' in the past. Shiba-i has his sons, Shiba-Shou Xi , Shiba-Shi Penelope and Shiba-En Zaku II to do the ritual, at the same time, Kakuka report to Shiba-i happily that he had defeated Kan-u. However, Shiba-i is not satisfied with the result and wanted Sonken dead ,who Shiba-i see as a threat, thus, Shiba-i told Kakuka that he had sent other people with the power of darkness to kill Sonken, much to Kakuka's frustration.
Soon, it is revealed that the person Shiba-i sent is a possessed Sonsaku, who is Sonken's brother, however, Sonken killed Sonsaku, thus foiling Shiba-i's plan.
Later, the ritual of summoning Shuu completed, who instantly devoured Shiba-En. Shiba-i also immediately sacrificed Shiba-Shi and Shiba-Shou to Shuu, killing them instantly and turning Shuu into Senjingasshin Shuu.
After a battle to death, Senjingasshin Shuu is destroyed, thus saving Shiba-En, and the heroes flied to the palace, where Shiba-i is located. However, Shiba-i combined himself with the corpse of Shuu and absorbed Kakuka, who came to save Shiba-i. Shiba-i than become a being even more powerful than Shuu: Tenshihou. Shiba-i claims that he atis now a god. Shiba-En tried to convince his father to stop, but Shiba-i response by trying to kill him, luckily, En is saved by Bachou. First Shiba-I has the upper hand in the battle, however, Koumei set up s trap before his death, which weaken Shiba-i and gave the heroes a chance to kill him once and for all.
In his last moment, Shiba-i realized that he is too a mortal before disintegrating.
Heinous Standard
Shiba-i is easily the most heinous villain in the manga, as in the manga, we got Toutaku and Enshou, who are leaders that are willing to burn down city as their strategy. We also got Sousou, who wanted to take over Mirisha. However, Sousou is very honourable. As for the case of Shiba-i? He is willing to kill his sons while laughing to achieve his goal. He doesn't even hesitate to absorb Kakuka, who trusted him faithfully. Furthermore, Shiba-i is a threat to the entire world as he wanted to recreate the world according to his own image. He even brainwashed his own kingdom to become his zombie soldiers, who are actually begging for someone to end their pain by killing them, thus, Shiba-i is a utter monster.
Mitigating Factors
Before his death, Shiba-i realized that he is too a mortal. However, I am not sure if thats means he redeemed.
Final Thoughts
One of the most horrifying incarnation of Shiba-i, what do you think?
Edited by TadiTadTa on Jan 16th 2023 at 5:02:29 PM
I think Iike Gundam and Dragon Quest too much
Feels good to be back everybody!
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
What's the EP page limit again, three?
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 16th 2023 at 12:52:50 PM
Professor Gigachad
The page limit is four, so we can't post any more proposals for a while, also again Future you can't vote on any of the proposals until the 24 hour mark has passed.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
4, and there's no voting on an EP until 24 hours have passed.
The Dark Priest himself
4, I think?
The Ultimate Lifeform
Rip... sorry bout that... At least we should be able to process the 4 E Ps pretty well!
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Oh I missed that. Sorry. Withdrawn.
We’ve reached the EP limit within an hour. That was fast. 
I think this could be a problem in future. If there isn’t much to discuss about the current candidates, people basically have nothing to do but wait 24 hours to vote, post 4 E Ps in quick order and then wait 24 hours again. Although I imagine every time, we reach the voting phase people will try to squeeze in more E Ps whenever a new page begins.
Still let’s see how this turns out over the course of the next weeks/months. Having a bit of a slowdown isn’t a bad thing.
The Ultimate Lifeform
I do wonder if this is only going to be a bit of a problem before we actually get going. After all the more posts we have to discuss the more pages we can take up. It's just we have only 4 candidates to discuss or ask questions about.
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Yeah, we shouldn't make this a competition to see who gets theirs in the fastest. We need some kind of schedule or wait list.
As I said on MB, I'll read each OP to educate myself on the rules and make sure I don't break any.
Goku Black
I uh think it's only slow now because we aren't able to vote on anything. I think it will be more smoother after today.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Precisely my thoughts. I do apologize for snipping that third slot. I didn't actually see the only 4 per page and wait 24 hours limit until I had just posted it. Sorry!
Here's to hoping that it smooths out from here on.
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
@futuremoviewriter: A good idea in theory but one of the problems the mods had with this thread was that it looked like a clique who was unfriendly to new people entering the discussion. I think a waiting list could scare away people. Being told that you can’t post right now, need to put your name on a list and have to wait several weeks because to top spots on the waiting list are all take by regulars can turn off new people very quickly.
Right. We did talk about that of course. My concern is that we get more than four on a page by accident though.
I mean yeah, the one who posted theirs last could always remove theirs until later to compensate. In the event it's a newcomer though, that could also be discouraging.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 16th 2023 at 1:25:57 AM
Not the Eye
Glad to be back.
It us a valid point. For now let’s just wait and see how it turns out.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Would someone be willing to enlighten me on how many 's are needed to formally get the candidate approved? I ask so I know in advance for when we start voting. Also, do we post our writeups for the actual entries here as well? Do those need separate approval?
So I guess during the wait time we just discuss the candidates on if we think they count or not?
Also I think the Restart thread agreed that we should focus on clearing the Reservations backlog first.
Anyways, looks like Smile Entity doesn’t have any agency problems, so should be fine.
Alauddin looks bad enough too with the Serial Rapist angle.
I’ll read the other two later
Edited by Snowy66 on Jan 16th 2023 at 1:59:14 AM
Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM