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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

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  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Ghal-Sur Since: Jan, 2023
#13851: May 12th 2024 at 5:31:19 AM

I'm more or less finishing Bungo Stray Dogs: Dead Apple and am extremely happy to say that Tachihiko Shibusawa makes a difference. But a few clarifications. Firstly, his experiments on children in the past. We see that he only torments Atsushi himself. There is nothing to suggest that he tortured other children. The cartoon doesn't even imply this. There is no mention that there were other children besides Atsushi. Finally, in general, he did not seek to destroy Inikugami. That powerful dragon most likely arose due to Fedor's machinations. It doesn't seem like Shibusawa planned to destroy Inikugami (not that he had a reason for this, because he needs the death of the Gifted Ones). But despite this, he is still easily bad enough. The spreading of the fog that kills the Gifted throughout the world is and is definitely a voluntary act of Shibusawa. Plus, his mass driving of the Gifted to suicide with the help of fog is also there, and although it is not directly stated that it was he who was behind the Dragon's Head Conflict, it is absolutely clear that it was he who organized this event, although the government was sent to suppress only the rebellion of the Gifted.

Shibusawa has a simply terrible body count and perhaps only Fedor himself can compare with him in disgustingness. So yes, he definitely makes a difference, but the entry needs to be rewritten. So I'm happy to report that we have a pretty good replacement for Shogo Makishima as CM White Hair, Black Heart.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on May 12th 2024 at 5:33:32 AM

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#13852: May 12th 2024 at 5:36:00 AM

I'm okay with the Cars 2 and Bungo Stray Dogs rewrites.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#13853: May 12th 2024 at 6:25:12 AM

For the Cars duo can we trim a bit? Using the rewrite I can get the corrected entry down by about 80 words:

  • Cars 2: Sir Miles Axlerod and Professor "Z" Zündapp are a pair of lemon cars seeking revenge on all other cars over being laughed at for being older models. Axlerod purchases an oil reserve and creates the phoney alternative fuel "Allinol" and organizes the World Grand Prix where cars are required to use Allinol. Meanwhile Z invents a weaponized camera to destroy the engines of several cars and risk their lives. The two intend on showing the "danger" of alternative fuel to force all cars to buy oil so enrich themselves and when Z catches two spies trying to stop them, personally tortures them to death. Axlerod tries to have Z detonate Lightning McQueen's Allinol to kill him and kidnaps his best friend Tow Mater to make him watch before killing him too. When this fails, they trick Mater to going to a pit stop, hoping to detonate a bomb in Mater's hood to kill him with the dozens of innocent cars at the stop, Z tricking Mater into activating the bomb as a final act of spite when caught.

Edit: Fixing spelling of "Allinol".

Edited by PassingThrough on May 12th 2024 at 9:44:05 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#13856: May 12th 2024 at 8:23:11 AM

[up] If you wish to.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#13857: May 12th 2024 at 8:56:11 AM

Also, Ronan got merged back with the Kree, so I'll use Tautological Templar for his name.

EDIT: Speaking of the MCU, I wouldn't mind if we did a reformat with these categories:

  • Sacred Timeline
  • What-If (in the official MCU timeline, even if not Sacred)
  • Multiverse stuff (all TV except What-If)
  • Other Media (Lit and Video Games)

Edited by ACW on May 12th 2024 at 12:12:33 PM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#13858: May 12th 2024 at 10:28:19 AM

  • Alex Rider
  • Fallout
  • Red Dead
  • Delicate: Siobhan Corbyn is a narcissistic immortal being who has walked the Earth for millennia, spreading suffering and planting the seeds for her eventual plans of reshaping the world to her liking. As "The Auteur" of the Delicates, Siobhan is responsible for manipulating and corrupting countless women over the years, having them birth demonic babies that Siobhan will use to wage war against all men in the world and replace the status quo with her definition of what a matriarchy should be. Along the way, Siobhan has any loose end killed, including her most devoted follower; gaslights and torments her "best friend" Anna Alcott on a regular basis; and uses Anna as an unwitting surrogate for a baby that was made as a product of Siobhan having a child with Dexter, her own son, with the sole intention of having the baby be the first of a new breed of superior monsters created from the incestuous belief that her bloodline is the strongest. When Dexter is killed, Siobhan shrugs off his death and casually reveals to having harvested the testicles from his corpse to keep breeding more monsters.
  • Bungo Stray Dogs: Dead Apple: Tatsuhiko Shibusawa is a sociopathic researcher obsessed with finding the Ultimate Ability. To this end, Shibusawa forced young hero Atsushi Nakajima to endure torturous experiments so he can activate the latter's Abilities. Shibusawa's desire to see people's Abilities in action would lead him to cause the Dragon's Head Conflict in Yokohama that lasted for 88 days and resulted in 88 deaths. In the present, Shibusawa unleashes a mysterious fog onto the world that leads to hundreds of people murdered by their own Abilities, before crystalizing said Abilities to collect, and would collaborate with Omasu Dazai and Fyodor Dostoevsky to spread his fog throughout Yokohama. Shibusawa would then backstab Dazai and, becoming "Singularity", allows his fog to engulf the planet and kill off every single Ability-user so he could absorb their Abilities to make himself more powerful.
  • "Wishes Come True": The warden of Devil's Prison is a licentious sadist known for killing all who come to his detention center. Indicated to force attractive inmates to submit to him sexually, the warden also hosts games of "tag", where he and his guards take their true demonic forms to hunt and butcher prisoners at leisure.
  • 2024 film: The unnamed head of Union Teope's Japan division is tasked with creating an enhanced version of the combat drug Angel Dust to be sold on the Black Market. Harboring a disdain for those he deems weak, the head uses the cosmetics company Lore as a front to experiment on runaway kids and homeless people, unleashing some in Shinjuku to cause terror and eventually die from the drug's effects, with one of them killing Kaori Makimura's brother Hideyuki. When one of his subjects, the cosplayer Kurumi, escapes with some samples of the drug, the head orders his lackeys to retrieve her, even killing a random henchman to instill fear in them. Killing a cop after he brings him Kurumi, the head kills Lore's CEO and orders his men to massacre the scientists and test subjects after finding no use in them anymore. Hoping to make an escape with Kurumi in hand, the head sadistically reveals to Kaori that he was responsible for the death of her father.
  • Maniac of New York, by Elliott Kalan & Andrea Mutti: Maniac Harry, the newest form of an ancient fear spirit, is a hulking slasher who makes his debut in New York City by massacring New Year's Eve revelers in Times Square. Attacking randomly for the next four years, Harry's killing spree claims hundreds of lives, with the story picking up on his attack on a packed subway train. Killing everyone except for two young children—who witness Harry behead their mother)—he is only stopped when the story's protagonist sets him ablaze and causes him to flee. Resurfacing to attack a packed high school, Harry gruesomely kills several staff members before being chased out and escaping to Yankee Stadium. In the stadium, Harry slaughters dozens of innocent spectators before his ultimate death. Having killed hundreds upon hundreds solely to instill terror, Maniac Harry leaves New York forever changed.
  • Sofonius Tigellinus is the scheming and ambitious advisor of Emperor Nero. Upon his introduction, Tigellinus helps Nero get revenge on a chariot racer who beat him at a race and later spreads lies about Vestale Rubria which eventually results in her death. When thousands of refugees from The Great Fire of Rome break into the field of Mars, Tigellinus advocates to push them back by force. Partnering with a hunchback called "The Needy" who scams poor hungry survivors into underselling their properties, Tigellinus comes up with a plan to get even richer: framing the Christian community for the fire so that the duo can seize their properties. Tigellinus pressures Nero into outlawing Christianity and kick-starting the persecutions by having dozens of Christians publicly crucified and burned alive. Tigellinus personally condemns the apostle Peter to be crucified far from his people and crowned with thorns out of pettiness. He then ensures that no one learns the truth about the fire by arranging Massam's death and attempting to murder Lucius Murena. On Nero's order, he captures and tortures a dozen of men to defeat the conspiracy of Piso, resulting in the arrestation of innocents, and then offers Piso's sister Lemuria as a Sex Slave to The Needy.
  • Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 2: The Joker of Earth-2 decides to destroy the vibrational tower protecting his universe from the Anti Matter wave, just to see what happens next. Joker infects Jim Gordon with Joker toxin and uses him as a distraction to get around the tower's defenses, blowing him up after he dies from laughter. Joker has Solomon Grundy and Killer Croc keep the Batfamily and guards busy, while he blows up the tower and dooms the universe.
  • The Corinthian is a nightmare who glories in his dark nature. Helping to keep Dream of the Endless imprisoned without any care for the horrific effect on the world, the Corinthian also enables John Dee in his potentially global plot to destroy the minds of countless others as long as he kills Dream. A sadistic Serial Killer, the Corinthian murders many young men by torturing them and eating their eyes, inspiring generations of other murderers to follow in his footsteps. Arriving at a convention for these fellow serial killers, the Corinthian plots to lure Dream into a fight with the Dream Vortex, Rose Walker, to destroy his former master and twist the Dreaming through the depraved desires of his followers, all while risking the end of the waking world through Rose's continued existence.
  • Dead Boy Detectives (2024): Esther Finch is a hilariously melodramatic and immortal Vain Sorceress who got her start with magic by murdering her cheating husband and his paramour. A consummate Child Hater, Esther has maintained her youthful looks over the centuries by sacrificing "generations" of young girls to her magical snake, and begins a petty quest for revenge when the titular detectives save her latest victim. Initially releasing an elemental spirit that threatens to condemn every ghost in Port Townsend to oblivion, Esther then elects to lock up Charles until he goes insane while putting Edwin through unceasing torture, siphoning enough power from his pain that she can become god of the town and "take [children] in broad daylight." Esther's years of gleeful evil stomp out any sympathy afforded by her husband's betrayal, and she laughs off a nearly successful attempt to redeem her while nonchalantly killing the boys' quirky friend Niko.
  • RWBY/Justice League: Starro is an alien conqueror who arrived in Remnant, in order to use its Mind Control to enslave all of Remnant's inhabitants to its will. Starro manages to use its abilities on humans, Faunus, animals, and Grimm to create its army, even managing to take control of General Ironwood to have access to the Atlas Military in order to spread its influence across Remnant. When confronted by Team RWBY and the Justice League, Starro forces them to fight Team JNPR and civilians under its control, and forces a possessed Jessica Cruz to construct objects of Team RWBY's and the Justice League's traumatic experiences in order to hurt them psychologically. Starro has shown that it will stop at nothing in its goal to rule remnant and remove all its inhabitants of free will to do so.
  • Dragon Ball AF compillation and re-telling by DB News: Frieza and Cell, after being defeated by Goku during GT, studied the Fusion Dance and improved it to become strong enough to escape from hell and obtain revenge. Arriving to a higher dimension, Friecell threatened its strongest warrior and forced her to fight the Saiyans while Friecell kidnapped Uub to force him in a ritual that resurrected Majin Buu, who fused with the villain to create Cellbuuzer, the new strongest being in the known multiverse. To test his new powers, Cellbuuzer destroyed Earth after playing with Vegeta and mocking his attempts to mitigate the damage before spawning a army of minions that caused destruction across the entire multiverse, with no dimension or planet being spared. When the Saiyans return to fight Cellbuuzer after training their powers, Cellbuuzer tortures Gohan while declaring his intention to do the same to all Saiyans. When Goku reaches a new ultimate transformation, Cellbuuzer tries to destroy the entire known multiverse in a last-ditch attempt to take down the Saiyans.
  • Impact issue #1's "Master Race": Carl Reissman, appearing to be an innocent refugee displaced by World War II, was in fact a horrific Nazi war criminal and head of the infamous Belsen concentration camp. Overseeing the extermination of hundreds of people every day, Reissman had prisoners taken away for grotesque human experimentation, forced prisoners into mass graves, and had them Buried Alive, even skinning some to use as lampshades in the offices of the camps. When the camp was liberated by the Allies, Reissman fled to America and, upon being confronted with a former victim, attempted to flee to avoid retribution for his crimes.
  • Shadows of Amethyst (link): The Overlord returns after his previous defeat by attempting to corrupt the Elements of Creation in order to destroy the Balance. Launching an attack on Ninjago City, the Overlord corrupts the city's civilians into Crystal Zombies, severely injures Garmadon, and breaks Lloyd's arm during his fight against the Ninja. Upon entering a partnership with the Omega while also intending to wipe the Oni out afterwards, The Overlord painfully corrupts Kai into being his puppet and has him infiltrate the Newspaper Warehouse in order to infect all of the other Ninja. Once Kai tries to fight back against his corruption, the Overlord causes a "full-system overload" of Kai's nerve system to keep him under control. When the Omega turns on him due to the Overlord not intending on upholding his side of the bargain, the latter attempts to kill the former along with Lloyd before being defeated by the Ninja once more.
  • The Defenders of Remnant (Marvel Universe & RWBY): Norman Osborne (sic), the Green Goblin, was Peter Parker/Spider-Man's greatest enemy who, upon discovering his secret identity, decided to systematically destroy Peter's life. Beginning by murdering his Aunt May, Norman then kidnapped Peter's girlfriend Mary Jane Watson, then blew up Peter's best friend, his own son Harry, in front of him. Two days later, Norman offered Peter a Sadistic Choice that ended with him blowing up a warehouse with Mary Jane inside, specifically doing so in a manner that forces Peter to watch her die; if Peter had chosen different, Norman would have murdered a young child instead. Driving Peter to such a psychological breaking point that Peter killed Norman himself and then retired as Spider-Man, Norman's emotional torment of Peter is so horrific that the latter still has nightmares about him and his actions a full year later.
  • The Iron Horse: Deroux (Bauman in the international version) is a scheming land baron who manipulates the Cheyenne into brutality for his own purposes. Desiring to force the government to build their railroad on his land so he will get rich, Deroux ensures that no one discovers a nearby shortcut by murdering anyone in the area and kicking the Cheyenne into a bloodthirsty frenzy. Deroux personally murdered and scalped Davy's father in the past, and has the Cheyenne stage a variety of murderous raids to stoke fear and panic. When the shortcut is finally found by the railroad and set to be used, Deroux attempts a full-scale massacre of train workers to ensure the shortcut will never be used.
  • One Hundred Years Ahead: Glot is the power-hungry leader of the space Pirate Alliance. His previous attempt to take over the Star Federation having been thwarted, Glot seizes the chance for revenge once he senses that the cosmion, the time-travel substance that he has lost, has appeared in the year 2124 again. Thrown into the past in his hunt for cosmion, Glot uses his hypnotic powers to sabotage Earth's first contact with the Star Federation and establishes a Bad Future in which he rules over Earth, now a pirates' base where people get a choice between working like slaves to produce new weapons or getting killed. With his mind-control abilities, Glot makes Alice slowly and tortuously choke Kolya, whom Alice loves, to obtain the cosmion now hosted in Kolya's body. Glot just as coldheartedly gets his own right-hand man killed once he no longer needs him and tries to murder Kolya's Innocent Bystander friends and Alice's parents purely for getting in his way. Devoid of all the humanizing qualities of his book counterpart, Glot cares for nothing except his own ambitions.
  • The Princess (2022): Prince Julius is a sadistic, misogynistic pig of a ruler who seeks to forcibly take power by marrying the Princess. When the Princess refuses Julius's advances thanks to his cruelty, Julius takes her entire castle—including her family—hostage to try to force her into marriage, including "servicing" him in the bedroom. In response to the Princess using her fighting skills to ward off his forces, Julius decides to marry and abuse her younger sister Violet instead, planning to then murder the girls' parents to complete his ascension. Julius then hopes to "purge" the kingdom of all those who are racially diverse, deriding them as "weak".
  • Rebel Moon two-parter:
    • Regent Balisarius is the nightmarish ruler of the Imperium, responsible for almost all the tragedy and suffering in this saga. Becoming a general at a young age and "reveling in war", Balisarius invaded Kora's homeworld, completely slaughtering all the inhabitants, sparing only Kora for her willingness to kill before adopting her, raising her as a weapon. When King Atander and the queen abandon the conquest expansion in favor of a peaceful existence, Balisarius stages a coup, killing the queen and forcing the king to watch his daughter Isla die at the hands of Kora, before killing the king and framing Kora for murder. After becoming regent, Balisarius orders the complete destruction of any world that refuses to comply or resists: Admiral Atticus Noble destroys the entire world of Sharan when they harbor rebels, and Tarak's homeworld is destroyed in retaliation for insubordination, killing Tarak's father in the process when he offers his terms for submission. Intolerant of insubordination, Balisarius forces General Titus to oversee the execution of his loyal soldiers for refusing to fire on civilians; allows the soldiers to massacre entire villages, including the village of Nemesis; enslaves entire worlds, killing those too weak and old and depleting the resources of the enslaved worlds, without caring about the negative impact on the local peoples. After Noble's initial defeat, Balisarius tasks him with crushing the rebellion and returning Kora to him so that he can personally crucify her, threatening him with a similar fate if he fails.
    • Admiral Atticus Noble is an ambitious Imperium commander and the most brutal minion of Regent Balisarius. Tasked with crushing uprisings at the borders of the Realm, Noble ruthlessly enforces the Imperium's will with the help of his dreadnought, which is capable of laying waste to entire planets. Searching for the Bloodaxe siblings, he comes to a village on Veldt in search of grain to feed his army. When the village's leader lies to him about the amount of grain they produce, Noble clobbers him to death and demands an enormous amount of grain, leaving his sadistic soldiers to keep the villagers in line, not caring that they will starve to death because of his demands. When presented with a captured rebel liaison, Noble promises him freedom in exchange for information, only to sever his spinal cord and leave him a prisoner in his own body after getting it, ordering his brain to be dissected to see if he knows anything more. Learning that the Bloodaxes are protected by King Levitica, Noble personally Levitica him while having his planet completely razed. Capturing Kora's group and learning that Kora is the infamous Scargiver, Noble plans to sever their spinal cord and take them to Balisarius to earn a place in the Senate. After being killed by Kora, Noble is revived by the Priests of Motherworld and returns to the village. When villagers rise up, Noble unleashes his army on them before ordering his ship to blow up the village—with all his troops still down.
  • True Grit (2010): Tom Chaney is an impulsive, homicidal thug who is far worse than the affable Lucky Ned Pepper. On the run from Texas Ranger LaBoeuf for shooting a Senator's dog then killing the Senator himself for complaining, Chaney is hired by Mattie's beloved father for a job. Chaney blows all his earned money in gambling, then nearly shoots his opponents to death out of spite, only to instead kill Mattie's father on a whim for trying to calm him down. When Mattie tracks Chaney down to bring him to justice, Chaney is ordered by Ned to leave the young girl alone, but Chaney settles on killing her simply for convenience. He toys with whether he will strangle the girl to death or toss her into a snake pit to "scream and rot", all while taunting her that he feels no remorse for killing her father, and when LaBoeuf tries to save Mattie, Chaney nearly murders them both.
  • Halloween Returns (link): Michael Myers is, as usual, a mass murderer and an embodiment of pure evil. Having killed his older sister at the age of six, Michael was committed to Smith's Grove Sanitarium under Dr. Paul Rogers's care, but escaped and brutally butchered a dozen more people in Haddonfield before being apprehended once more. After he is put on Death Row ten years later, Michael escapes and starts a Prison Riot, claiming the lives of many people and gutting the survivor of the Haddonfield killings from behind in front of Rogers. Having grown obsessed with Rogers's daughter, Sofia, Michael fakes his death before starting another killing spree in Russellville, killing a kindly elderly store owner, Sofia's mother, and three of her friends in the process. When Sheriff Gary Hunt confronts him afterwards, Michael stabs him to death in the resulting fight and relentlessly tries to murder his older son along with Sofia. After Rogers intervenes and offers his life in place of Sofia's, Michael tortures him with a glass shard before splitting his tongue and tricking the police into shooting him. Making a getaway, Michael leaves a message vowing to return and keep terrorizing the town until everyone is dead.
  • "Bumblebee", by Bentley Little: The redneck is a racist psychopath and murderer who kills anybody he suspects of being illegal immigrants. Responsible for a slew of racially motivated murders, including burning 14 immigrants alive in a semi-truck, the redneck hopes to storm Father Lopez's church and kill all the Salvadoran immigrants in his basement. When the narrator's hired by Lopez to gather evidence on the redneck, the redneck beats his friend Trinidad to near-death in retaliation, with Trinidad later dying from his wounds. Later murdering Father Lopez, the redneck is eventually captured by the undead corpses of his victims, enough to have filled an entire graveyard.
  • The Stormlight Archive: Rayse, the Shardvessel of Odium, presents himself as a kindly father figure, hiding a vicious, insidious tyrant. Intending to rule the Cosmere, Rayse eliminates Shards who could challenge him, one battle turning the planet Threnody into a Death World. Coming to the Rosharan system, Rayse tricks the humans of Ashyn into devastating their own world, which led them conquering Roshar, deposing the native Singers. Recruiting the Singers with promises of revenge, the best become his Fused, warriors who endlessly resurrect in new bodies, killing the original person, less sane each time, with eternal torture for defection or defiance. When Honor seals Rayse on Braize using the Heralds, Rayse tortured the Heralds into releasing him, to wage brutal wars on Roshar that obliterate civilization, until the Heralds could seal him again, a cycle repeated over a dozen times. Sealed away by one Herald enduring torture for 4500 years, Rayse uses his limited influence to kill Honor, and spread wars on Roshar. Returning to start a new war, he frees the Singers from slavery, but forcibly conscripts them, conducting genocide on an independent Singer nation. When Dalinar Kholin negotiates with Rayse, Rayse attempts to forcibly convert Dalinar into freeing him. Rayse claims he is best for Roshar, but only sees the inhabitants as troops "hardened" through his wars, to be unleashed in a mad crusade on the greater Cosmere.
  • Dracula: Count Dracula himself is the monstrous Trope Codifier for the modern vampire villain. A hideous, blood-sucking monster, Dracula has spent years plaguing the Transylvania countryside, at one point feeding an infant to his vampiric "brides" before having the child's grieving mother torn apart by wolves. Luring the attorney Jonathan Harker to his castle so he may use the latter's legal knowledge to purchase English property, Dracula then imprisons Jonathan and attempts to drive him mad. Abusing his own human servant Renfield to the point of insanity, Dracula makes his way to England where he begins attacking the country, plotting to use it as a new feeding ground to his heart's content. Sending a wolf after Lucy Westenra and her mother, killing Lucy's mother and forcibly turning Lucy herself into a vampire. Dracula later vampirizes Jonathan's fiancée Wilhelmina "Mina" to uncover his enemies' plans against him, a beast in the skin of a man interested in nothing but slaking his literal thirst for blood.
  • High School:
    • Episodes 156 & 236: Patryk Kozub is a new student at school whose parents often travel abroad, which makes him feel completely free to do as he likes. When English teacher Anna Turczyn takes away his tablet, Patryk teams up with school bully Gienek Zielonka to try to humiliate Anna. By the end though, when Gienek has had enough, Patryk outright attempts to murder Anna with broken glass]]. Patryk returns as a full criminal and drug dealer who manipulates Alina SaÅ‚acka—a girl who was in love with him—into doing his bidding and decides to use her to burn the whole school down as revenge for his expulsion. Patryk initially plans to do it in the evening, but when he learns there still are plenty of people inside, he goes through with his plan to set the school on fire with students and one teacher still inside.
    • Episode 476: "The Guardian" is an internet troll who created a game called "Wieloryb" ("The Whale"). The Guardian gives teenagers eager to play it various dangerous tasks that start with something pretty mild like being disrespectful to a teacher, but always end with committing suicide—of which numerous teenagers did. The Guardian specifically asks teenagers for their address in the beginning of the game so that if they refuse to commit suicide, he threatens their family.
  • Night Country (Season 4): Kate McKittrick is the corrupt businesswoman behind Silver Sky Mining, the company responsible for most of the tragedies plaguing Ennis. Controlling the town with her influence, Kate has Silver Sky intentionally contaminate the water as part of a deal with the scientists at Tsalal Arctic Research Station, resulting in innocent people—especially the town's Native population—suffering from serious health issues. Kate's utter indifference to their pain leads to development of cancer, birth defects, and irreparable genetic damage; nine stillbirths in three months; and protests being met with violence from the police, with Kate even using the cops to hide her involvement with Tsalal and eliminate witnesses.
  • Vol. 8 issues #9-10—"Range Wars": The Colonialist is an evil space businessman whose main business is selling violent, meat-eating Ferals as foot soldiers to conquerors across the universe. He enslaves many women across the universe to be dancers for his pleasure. When he wants precious stones that are buried under the land of the Mugabee race, the Colonialist turns the race with whom they share their planet against them, leading to the genocide of the Mugabee. The Colonialist plans to make Earth a feeding ground for Ferals, unleashing them on towns and villages to feed on their people.
  • Vol. 9: Kivu'Ma was once a zealot and former friend of King M'Tel named Captain N'Dozi who became a monstrous spectral Undead Abomination to purge Wakanda of all "plunderers". Kivu'Ma instead would target anyone for the most arbitrary of reasons and mass murdered innocents before consuming their souls to feed himself before he was sealed away by M'Tel. Resurfacing in the present, Kivu'Ma makes a deal with crime lord Baba Nkisu to feed off hundreds of people while keeping their bodies alive in his space station so their souls will last longer inside Kivu'Ma while being horrifically tormented. Kivu'Ma helps Niksu unleash a Mob War across the city of Birnin T'Chaka, endangering the population. Kivu'Ma eventually kills Nkisu through painful illusions when he's outlived his usefulness. Kivu'Ma later manipulates Niksu's daughter into becoming his new host by blaming his death on T'Challa. Though Kivu'Ma claims that he's helping save Wakanda, T'Challa calls him out that he's ultimately just a power-hungry fanatic wanting to wipe out anyone who gets in his way.
  • Dark Samus is a cunning, yet psychopathic being born from the remains of Metroid Prime and given sapience after fusing with one of Samus' suits, using the DNA within to reconstruct herself as a shadowy clone of Samus herself. Dark Samus travels to the planet Aether to consume the Phazon on the planet and physically stabilize herself. She raids a Space Pirate colony on the planet and kills those in her way, and when Samus arrives on the planet, Dark Samus tries to have her killed at every given opportunity. Defeated and left for dead in a collapsing dimension, Dark Samus still survives and reforms in a Space Pirate ship, killing a third of the crew and forcing the rest under her control. She raids the G.F.S. Valhalla, kills its entire crew, and steals Aurora Unit 313 to control Phazon and the planet Phaaze. Seeking to spread Phazon throughout the cosmos and corrupt the entire universe, Dark Samus infects three planets with Phazon and almost infects a fourth, only to be stopped by Samus and three other bounty hunters. Dark Samus takes the opportunity to plant Phazon seeds inside the four of them, leading to the deaths of the other three and Samus herself almost succumbing to the corruption.
  • "The Tragic Events of September - Part 1": Dr. Charlie Von Kook is a religious fanatic and denture maker, acting as a surgeon in a run-down trailer park, and was the one to personally deliver the Evelyn Twins. A staunch advocate and financer of F.A.S.T.E.N. for Siamese separation, when Von Kook sees the Twins' conjoined status, he immediately attempts to rip the two girls in half with a chainsaw while spouting religious proverbs, and his death ends up killing the twins' father as well, resulting in the beginning of the girls' harsh life.
  • Cult of the Lamb song "The One Who Waits": The One Who Waits is the god of death who was sealed in the underworld that aims to break free from his chains and conquer the world above. Employing the Lamb to do his bidding, the One Who Waits has the Lamb perform several sacrifices, including that of killing the Bishops of the Old Faith, all for the sake of getting stronger. Aiming to "build a new world upon the bones of the dead", the One Who Waits then orders the Lamb to sacrifice themselves so that he can escape once and for all; when the Lamb rebels against him, the One Who Waits threatens them by saying that they will face the wrath of death itself before engaging in one final brawl to secure victory.
  • Chak Ek, the Mayan god of the morning star, emerged from the underworld many years ago only for his brother, K'in Ah, to emerge brighter than him. Out of jealousy, Chak Ek decided to kill all of K'in Ah's allies—K'awiil, K'in Ahaw himself, Hun Hunahpu, Ak Na'ak, and another unnamed hero—each of their deaths cursing the world with famine, warfare, and chaos. Although all of these gods come back to life, Chak Ek repeats these crimes, dooming the world to a cycle of mass death and destruction for all eternity.
  • El Silbón (The Whistler) is a malevolent spirit from the Venezuelan Llanos who, in life, was a spoiled rotten boy who constantly abused both his parents to get what he wants. One day, when his father failed to hunt down a deer to make venison for him, the boy killed him, ripped out his guts and innards, cooked them, and fed them to his mother. After his atrocious act was revealed, the boy's grandfather punished him by whipping him, applying chili powder to his wounds, and sending rabid dogs to kill him. After his death, the boy came back as a demonic ghost who haunts Los Llanos to this very day, killing anyone unfortunate enough to encounter him. The only warning of his arrival is his characteristic whistle, which if heard close by, it means he's far away, but if heard far away, he's right behind you.
  • Resident Evil: Extinction original draft (link): Doctor Isaacs is a high-ranking Umbrella researcher who, after experimenting on Alice in the wake of Raccoon City's destruction, seemingly lets her go, only to place her under the corporation's control shortly afterwards. Using her to track down a resistance hideout in Detroit, Isaacs has the Umbrella soldiers massacre many people inside, including the young Angela Ashford. After escaping trial during the T-Virus pandemic, Isaacs takes shelter in the underground facility where he puts Alice clones through a complex of deathtraps, with 87 of them dying gruesomely. When one zombie goes feral after being injected with the clone's blood, Isaacs leaves two fellow workers to die and, upon finding out that Alice survived the hideout raid, attacks Jill Valentine's convoy with enhanced zombies in an attempt to capture Alice for further experimentation, killing many and causing the death of Jill herself later on. Having been bitten during the convoy ambush, Isaacs mutates and, viewing himself as "the future", slaughters everyone in the facility; when Alice herself goes down to investigate, he tries to kill her as well, causing an undeveloped clone of hers to die in the resulting fight.
  • Darth Maul - Black, White & Red Issue #1—"Ghost Ship": The Emissary of Chaos is the mysterious leader of the anarchistic Final Occultation and is strongly hinted to be a being of the Netherworld. When Darth Sidious arranges for the cult to be taken into custody in order to learn their secrets, the Emissary leads them to hijack the prison ship that is transporting them and slaughter the crew. The Emissary organizes and presides over a summoning ceremony, planning to use the ship's hyperdrive to open a rift in space and unleash chaos and madness on the galaxy.
  • What If The Jedi Executed ORDER 99 Against The Separatists (link: Chancellor Palpatine is the true mastermind of the Clone Wars. Learning that the Separatist leaders have all been killed by their battle droids via Order 99, Palpatine knows that soon he will lose his emergency powers, and resorts to force to keep his powers. Planning to kill all Senators, Palpatine sends his explosive-rigged shuttle crashing into the Senate building during a talk to engulf it in flames. During the chaos, Palpatine uses Force lightning to slaughter Senators left and right before being stopped and killed by the combined efforts of Anakin and Padmé. Despite Palpatine's death, his actions would force Grand Master Yoda to sacrifice himself to save the Jedis and Senators from the collapsing Senate building.
  • Max Payne: Angelo Punchinello is The Don of the Punchinello Crime Family, one of the most notorious and brutal Mafia clans in New York, who is responsible for the distribution of a highly dangerous and potent drug V on Nicole Horne's behalf. To maintain his power base, Punchinello employs sadistic, insane criminals like Jack Lupino, Rico Muerte, and the Trio, all of whom commit gruesome crimes with Punchinello's silent approval, and only objecting to Lupino's madness because it's bad for business. Once Max Payne and Mona Sax get on his trail, Punchinello ordered Frankie "The Bat" Niagara to murder and mutilate Max with a baseball bat and then deliver the corpse to the cops as intimidation, while also sending Mona to be slowly killed by the Trio. After Max had escaped the hotel and captured his shipment of weapons, Punchinello tried to kill him by burning him alive in a restaurant. In his personal life, Punchinello is a sadistic wife-beater who ended up beating his wife Lisa to death.
  • "Lucky Blocks" & "Lucky Block Staff": The Orb is the eldritch entity that controls the Lucky Dimension, seeking to spread chaos wherever it goes. Given a chance to escape its temple by Yellow, the Orb possesses his body before trying to either kill the Stick Gang or possess them with replicas of itself, all while killing any allies they spawn; once possessed, the vessel's soul is thrown into a mental prison, Forced to Watch as its body attacks its friends. Returning years later by hijacking the Lucky Block Staff, the Orb sends dozens of minions to die in an attempt to kill the Stick Gang, before trying to trap them in bedrock cages for eternity, showing for a second time that it's a heartless entity that takes pride in its actions.
  • "The Witch": The Witch is a skilled fighter and potionmaster who has somehow learned about the Stick Gang. Deceiving Blue into trusting her, the Witch uses her shapeshifting potions to make him a piston that would collect nether wart for her for eternity: From Blue's point of view, he's trapped in a white void all by himself, taunted about his obsession. Upon confronting Green, Yellow, and Red, the Witch did roughly the same to them, transforming them into plants or animals that would be stuck in one place for all eternity. Once the real Second Coming rescues his friends and they try to stop her, the Witch tries to brutally kill them through means such as butchering them with an axe; trying to explode them; or burning them alive. A sadistic yet powerful foe, the Witch was one of the Stick Gang's deadliest opponents yet.
  • Galtar and the Golden Lance:
    • Tormack is a surprisingly dark and serious villain for the otherwise lighthearted cartoon. A plunderer and warlord before he became a bona fide Evil Overlord, Tormack destroyed the home village of Galtar, as well as the city of Princess Goleeta, and slew both of their parents. Those Tormack doesn't destroy he enslaves to work forever in his mines, including the pacifistic and harmless Nerms, or the dwarves, whose entire population has been subjugated. In another instance, Tormack drugs his own niece Rava with a Love Potion and gives her off to a disgusting slug creature who treats her like a servant. Tormack isn't above trying to enslave or kill children, either, at one point capturing Goleeta's plucky kid brother Zorn, using him as bait and gloating to his face "I wouldn't dream of torturing you...alone!"
    • "Mursa the Merciless": Mursa the Merciless herself is an Evil Sorceress who stays immortal by drinking the youth of the innocent and beautiful. Mursa hypnotizes Goleeta and drains her life, temporarily reducing the Princess to a withered crone that Mursa has join a gallery of other women she's reduced to similar shells. Although Goleeta is saved, there is no reprieve for Mursa's other victims.
    • "Falca - Priestess of Prey": Falca is a tyrannical harpy who once ruled over the Forgotten Forest with an iron fist. When her army of millions of bird people abandoned her for her cruelty, Falca began scheming to once more enslave them and destroy any who resisted by using the Golden Lance. Capturing Galtar and Goleeta, Falca tries to force them into handing over the Lance by threatening to drop Goleeta off a cliff to her death, in the process showcasing that Falca has done this exact execution to many other people, whose skeletal remains now litter the bottom of her lair.
  • Thundarr the Barbarian:
    • "Secret of the Black Pearl" & "Last Train to Doomsday": Gemini is the only recurring villain that Thundarr ever faced. A tyrannical wizard who subjugated a small civilization of humans, Gemini has enslaved the Groundlings under threat of death to terrorize the humans in his stead. In his quest to find the Black Pearl, Gemini takes Princess Ariel hostage and nearly destroys the humans with destructive flame. Though seemingly beaten, Gemini returns and lures Thundarr into a trap by trying to bury a train of people alive. Once he has captured Thundarr, Gemini reveals his plan to turn Thundarr into a statue and leave him trapped for all eternity.
    • "Treasure of the Moks": Captain Kordon is "Queen of the River Pirates", who has made a dreaded name for herself by raiding villages and killing innocents. Seeking to claim the lost fortune of the Moks for her own, Kordon scavenges the ocean to find missiles that she dubs "fire lances" so that she can unleash them on the Mok civilization and slaughter them all, including the children. Kordon attempts to feed Thundarr and his allies to a giant crab beast, and nearly kills the chief of the Moks for trying to warn his people of her incoming attack.
    • "Island of the Body Snatchers": Circe is an Evil Sorceress who resides in the ruins of what used to be London. Prevented from escaping the island due to a curse that will turn her to stone if she leaves, Circe works around this issue by searching for a young sorceress whose body she can steal for herself. For 500 years, Circe wrecks ships and maroons their crews on the island, inevitably petrifying them when she finds nobody worth possessing. By the time she finds a suitable host in Princess Ariel, the entire island is covered in hundreds of statues. Circe devises one of the worst fates ever planned for a hero in the series: Swapping minds with Ariel and leaving the latter trapped and paralyzed in her own body, Circe tries to force Ariel to watch her friends die in a Death Trap, then intends to leave her forever on the island, still paralyzed and helpless.

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Thermal7 Since: Oct, 2018
#13859: May 12th 2024 at 10:36:48 AM

With the success of my first proposed rewrite, I offer a second one, this time from Half-Life 2, a game most dear to me.

Original:

  • Dr. Wallace Breen, once administrator of Black Mesa, rises to govern humanity after offering his services to the alien Combine. After "saving" Earth, Breen ensures his own power and position is secure. Running a horrifically despotic regime with executions and brutality the norm, Breen intends to cause the end of humankind by halting their reproduction. Trying to stamp out and kill any embers of rebellion by killing or torturing every member of the resistance, Breen attempts to flee the Earth when Gordon Freeman comes for him, attempting to blow his citadel to nothing to kill Freeman and allow the Combine to raze Earth while he joins them in a new body.
Proposed rewrite:
  • Dr. Wallace Breen is the former administrator of Black Mesa who was responsible for ordering a reckless experiment that lead to the Resonance Cascade and the ensuing Seven Hour War. Becoming a puppet leader of Earth after surrendering humanity to the Combine, Breen secures for himself a comfortable position of power and oversees a brutal dictatorship which aims to slowly exterminate humanity by halting their reproduction. Any dissenters, or simply those who are trying to flee, are either brutalized and summarily executed by the Civil Protection death squads, shelled by the Headcrab Cannisters, or taken to facilities like Nova Prospekt to be tortuously turned into Stalkers. After learning of Gordon Freeman's return, Breen orders a city-wide manhunt, which results in many innocents and rebels dying in the ensuing raids and bombardments. Having manipulated Judith Mossman's love for Eli Vance to get her to betray Eli and bring him to Nova Prospekt and later to the Citadel, Breen goes back on his promise to spare Eli and threatens Eli's daughter Alyx to get him and the rebel forces to stand down. When they both defy him, he gleefully tries to send the Vances to a slow, painful death on the other side of the Combine portal against Mossman's protests. In a desperate attempt to save his own skin, Breen tries to flee Earth and annihilate Freeman in the dark energy fusion reactor, willing to abandon his own race to be razed by the Combine while he joins them in a new body.
My criticism of Breen's original writeup is the same as Angelo's; it's far too short, especially for a Big Bad, and it omits a few important details like his manipulation of Judith;

Mossman: I'm not calling about that. You promised you weren't going to touch Eli.
Breen: The soldiers were a bit overzealous, I admit. But he was too tempting a prize to simply turn loose, especially in the absence of Gordon Freeman.
Mossman: You would have had Freeman if you'd been patient and just waited for my signal.
Breen: We weren't entirely sure you were ever going to get around to that, human loyalties being what they are.
Mossman: Dr. Breen! As I've stated before, you have to let Eli come around on his own. You can't just-
Breen: I have known Dr. Vance far longer than you, my dear. I'm afraid your feelings for him may have blinded you-
Mossman: Feelings? This has nothing to do with feelings. It's a simple truth that when Eli believes in our-
Breen: This is not open to debate, Dr. Mossman.
Mossman: Doctor, please...
Breen: So sorry, Judith. I'm all out of time.

Or his sadistic glee when he's preparing to send the Vances through the Combine portal;

Breen: Alyx, my dear, you have your mother's eyes, but your father's stubborn nature.
Alyx: You haven't seen a bit of it yet.
Breen: Really? Well, let's see how it serves you on the far side of a Combine portal.
Eli: Go ahead, Breen, if that's the worst you can do, send us both through your portal!
Breen: Oh, it's hardly the worst, but you might find that hard to believe once you get there.

Also, he's responsible for the Resonance Cascade and everything that followed (although Eli states that he "should've aborted that damn test", it's likely that Breen would have forced him and everyone else to go along with it), so that should also be mentioned.

To be honest, I just like longer, spicier writeupsgrin

Let me know what you think, any suggestions or edits will be welcomed.

Edited by Thermal7 on May 12th 2024 at 10:46:10 AM

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#13860: May 12th 2024 at 10:46:08 AM

Earnestly I like Breen as is... it works as a good general summary of his deeds while the suggested feels less like a CM writeup and more like trying to incorporate a plot summary with the character.

Thermal7 Since: Oct, 2018
#13861: May 12th 2024 at 10:49:17 AM

Maybe I can excise some redundant paragraphs like this one

  • "Any dissenters, or simply those who are trying to flee, are either brutalized and summarily executed by the Civil Protection death squads, shelled by the Headcrab Cannisters, or taken to facilities like Nova Prospekt to be tortuously turned into Stalkers."
But his behavior and actions in the final chapter are a crucial part of how truly evil and sadistic he is, and it's best to at least touch on that somehow.

Edited by Thermal7 on May 12th 2024 at 10:49:51 AM

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#13862: May 12th 2024 at 10:51:13 AM

I'm gonna reiterate I think his actions are captured well enough and I don't think his ending cruelties are neglected, I'm just going to vote to leave his entry as is.

TurlesTheVegan Mr. House from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Mr. House
#13863: May 12th 2024 at 11:32:26 AM

I also vote to keep the entry the same; I think it looks fine and C Ms don't need to have every crime of theirs listed in an entry.

papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#13864: May 12th 2024 at 12:06:21 PM

Minor point for the Big Sal and Nero rewrite on the Fallout page I'm pretty sure it should say they get people addicted to "chems" not "chemicals" since chems is a specific term in Fallout referring to drugs.

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rosewood47 from A Padded Cell Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#13866: May 12th 2024 at 3:45:31 PM

Posted this in the proposal thread, but didn't know it was supposed to go here:

Re: Henderson from You: I noticed he was in the Former CMs list because he couldn't be vouched for. I haven't seen the most recent season of the show, but from what I HAVE seen of it, I can confirm that he does indeed carve out a unique niche for himself as a scumbag serial pedophile who drugs underage girls and rapes them. And while Joe's not exactly a saint himself, there are still certain lines that he doesn't cross, hurting children being one of them. Additionally, Henderson doesn't really have much of a concrete Freudian Excuse. He offhandedly mentions that he was abused as a child. It's not entirely clear whether or not this is even true, but regardless of whether it is or isn't, it isn't played for sympathy or presented as a valid excuse.

Edited by rosewood47 on May 18th 2024 at 10:37:03 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#13867: May 12th 2024 at 3:46:57 PM

Alright add his write up back to the drafts with any corrections and we'll be good.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TiMBer1566 The Dragon from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
The Dragon
#13868: May 12th 2024 at 5:53:47 PM

Anyone mind if I reserve the Nosferatu remake by Robert Eggers?

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#13872: May 13th 2024 at 5:19:51 AM

Anyone familiar with Fallout 1 want to comment on if this is correct. So the entry has all correct info

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#13873: May 13th 2024 at 8:40:47 AM

So I have been scroling Lucifer (2016) character pages and found this under Michael.

  • The Atoner: Word of God says this happened to him after Season 6 as during his punishment he eventually becomes a patient of Lucifer's and the twins work out their issues while Lucifer helps Michael seek redemption for his actions.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#13874: May 13th 2024 at 8:46:44 AM

That's just word of God stuff which we don't care about.

It's not mentioned in show.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Evanpotter09 Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#13875: May 13th 2024 at 8:51:42 AM

Word of God doesn't affect CM's status, if it did, MCU Red Skull would not count.

What, like it's hard?

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