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As discussed, I definitely think we shouldn't be casting judgement (at least, outside of WMG). Monty killing Bonnie isn't confirmed, it's just hinted at.

Yes. Again, how do we form an official consensus before taking action? At the very least I'm going to remove the various statements about how "nothing points to Monty's innocence" in those are definitely untrue no matter what. I'll await more replies before going further.

My reply is: Just wait and see.

Maybe we should just wait to see if any evidence pointing either way comes out.

So Help Wanted 2...looks like it's clearing some things up. But I'll wait a bit more on that.

In the meantime wanted to handle this thing on the Mimic's sheet.

• Decomposite Character: Maybe. While the way it's described in the books suggests it's Burntrap, the game versions of both characters bear little resemblance to each other. As such, at the moment it's impossible to tell if the game versions of The Mimic and Burntrap are meant to be the same character or two separate ones

The resemblance thing is explained within Tales. The Mimic can shift it's parts to look totally different. It turns itself into a spider at one point. We see this ability in Ruin itself, people have pointed out that the Endo in the costumed version of the Mimic looks totally different then the normal Mimic.

Edited by Snoketrope on Dec 14th 2023 at 2:18:29 AM

Isn't that the whole reason why we have this thread in the first place? Plus, Never Trust a Trailer.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't really be saying things like "Maybe" or "at the moment" before the game is fully released. Once the game is released, then we can start applying if they are decomposites or not.

What?

If you mean HW 2, the game has already come out. It gives some pretty firm answers so far. The Maskbot ending makes it pretty explicit that Glitchtrap is in fact the Mimic in case there was any remaining doubts. I was just waiting a day or so to talk on that in case any Easter eggs were going to come.

I dunno. The whole reason people are saying the mimic randomly stopped emulating glitchtrap was because the princess quest arcades were beaten, but help wanted shows Glitchtrap as himself

I never believed that. It always relied on the 'Strand' interpretation of the Mimic where there are a bunch of different kinds connected to it but Tiger Rock displayed it's more that the Mimic's mind morphs into multiple things. I always thought that we were just seeing him at a point where he wasn't mimicking William.

Plus one thing Glitchtrap does is emulate Tape Girls voice. That's the whole strategy he uses to trick Vanessa. So the Mimic is actually acting like Glitchtrap.

And of course, Help Wanted 2 has more or less ended the debate with the Maskbot ending. So that's some stress off of our lives.

So, what happens when the next game comes out and complicates things again?

Plus, the page for Help Wanted 2 says that the Golden Ending is "possibly" and not really confirmed.

If it does, we can just talk about it then

Like should we just not trope any revelation or thing that happens because 'oh next game might complicate it'.

You do have a point, and I'm more supportive of Mimictrap then I was before HW 2 came out, but there's just no easy answer.

I figured the easy answer was just to do it sense...Well I suppose to me HW 2 just went out of its way to end any ambiguity to me. We go from Glitchtrap appearing out of the charging station to the scene where Maskbot implants Cassie with Helpi / The Mimic. And the ending is called 'Helptrap'. It just feels...to me like we keep saying to wait despite the answer being fairly clear at this point.

If we still want to have a compromise, how about just for now, we keep it as it is, just have the Glitchtrap and Burntrap stuff off of William's page while discussing how its heavily indicated that Glitchtrap is the Mimic on the sheets?

I guess that's OK. What does everyone else think? Also guys Snoketrope and I've been talking and there actually is some evidance that Bonnie may have been still around during the events of the Storyteller, which means there's no proof in Tales or otherwise that if Monty destroyed Bonnie, it was before being hacked. Can we get rid of the entries saying so?

Yeah, go ahead and get rid of the Monty stuff. As for the whole wait thing, the Nightmare Fuel page for Security Breach 2 says this: The main ending. There are several endings to the game, but this one both establishes where the game sits in the timeline, and gives the fans more questions.

Uh...guys...? The person who allegedly got the email from scholastic has been confirmed to have faked at least one email by Scott and also asked a writer a very loaded question (and we're talking, he implied "If you say yes you're a bad writer") So...can we still say Tales Games in good faith?

? What do you mean?

The Talbert Files

That is, the whole Talbert files scandal. His credibility has gone down considerably. I sent an email to the same address as he did and never got a reply, and had several of my friends do the same in hopes of clarification. This was acouple months ago.

I really don't think the whole Talbert Files thing proves anything. The last thing we should do is question everything Entom, least of all because this whole situation came as the result of Entom's privacy being invaded and them being betrayed by former friends. Also, they are planning to eventually respond to Scott's claims, so best to wait till then.

And also, that would not really affect Tales Games that much. The email helps put the nail in the coffin yes, but I would say the bulk of the evidence is just in the content of the books and games themselves.

EDIT:Actually, bringing this to DM's for a bit.

Edited by Snoketrope on May 21st 2024 at 2:19:55 AM

I'd be happy to DM with you Snoketrope but this isn't just between you and me, I want to hear what everyone has to think about this. Canonicity of a book adaptation isn't like a normal FNAF theory. It NEEDS confirmation from the creators. On that note it seems incredibly weird that they would even take away the summary for marketing reasons. Especially since that quote definitely generated interest in fans. This isn't a fan theory, this is about whether or not an adaptation is canon. There are a lot of inconsistencies that I can share with Snoketrope, but the inconsistencies are only part of it.

Edited by CatcherInTheWry on May 22nd 2024 at 10:15:22 AM

I meant partially on the Entom stuff.

Well its not an 'adaptation', its expanded universe. There are little inconsistencies here or there, but nothing too special for the franchise or stuff we know for a fact shares continuity.

The games sort of rely on the books for a lot of its story at this point. And also it would be just plain weird if they are not? Like, the silver eyes was a complete story in its own right. With Tales..it would be setup for a FNAF universe identical to the main one..but also not in that universe. And also things in the main universe connect to it.

Edited by Snoketrope on May 22nd 2024 at 10:03:16 AM

I think TalesGames is very much canon myself.

Even outside of Scholastic outright saying it's in the games timeline (and clarifying it still holds up despite it being removed from the official description), the books feature game characters (Gregory, the Mimic, the Nightmare Animatronics) in scenarios that are one-for-one recreations of the game timeline's events ("GGY" perfectly lines up with Patient 46 and the mysterious GGY on the arcade machines / "Dittophobia" is literally just the most explicit way of saying "FNAF 4 was Afton's experiments"), to the point it would be flat-out weird and confusing for it to not be canon. At least the Frights uses stand-ins, such as "Step Closer" being about the 4 Siblings while using two separate characters. Why would Scott explain that Gregory is 46 through... a non-canon story about a kid named Greg who goes to therapy sessions and hacked the animatronics? Why explain and set up the Mimic via literally the Mimic itself? Why not skip the parallel part, cause there is no parallels there, it's just a one-for-one recreation? And don't get me started on Dittophobia.

Also we already have canon books like the Logbook, and any inconsistencies from Tales can be explained; and those that aren't outnumber the massive list of proof TalesGames is canon.

We can leave the Frights books as non-canon, not explicitly say "Mimic is Glitchtrap" despite the extremely heavy implications, but I think it's very safe to say the Tales books - or at least the Mimic-connected stories - are game canon.

Edited by Kronger3124 on May 23rd 2024 at 8:12:07 PM