I'm hazy as to how the new Put on a Bus trope description handles characters that aren't so much written out of the show as region-locked, while the main characters are travelling around the world. The characters aren't leaving the plot, the plot is leaving them because it never intended to stick around with them in the first place. It's a reverse situation.
Plus, the "episodic work" rule to doesn't clarify how it handles shows that have a Myth Arc unfolding through the episodes rather than it being a show with shorter story lines (which is the case for most episodic works). When you've got a Myth Arc that's cycling around the setting's world, every single character in the show that isn't part of the main group will end up being the trope (mostly at the same time) simply because they only pop up whenever the plot is visiting their geographic location... and I really don't think that degree of mass example posting is what the original decision was trying to achieve.
I think the thread needs to be asked how to handle works like this one because I'm not sure these kinds of scenarios were considered at the time.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 19th 2022 at 6:00:07 AM
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Headscratchers.RWBY has three pages, which is going to take time to clean.
Starting with Headscratchers.RWBY Part 1, these are the first few questions:
- Why, if they are siblings, do Ruby and Yang have different surnames? (Rose & Long, respectively)
- It's possible that one of them changed their last name, or they may even be step-sisters (they are lacking much family resemblance, though that doesn't prove anything definitive)
- The current prevailing theory seems to be that Ruby is adopted. The jury is still out on Yang though.
- Word of God has stated that they're not related by blood.
- Word of God refutes that statement
: they are blood-related.
- Word of God has also Jossed the theory that one of them is adopted.
- They could be half-sisters as well. Heck, maybe this world doesn't really have family names. Have we seen anyone with the same surname yet? ( they are half-sisters.)
- Heck, I know someone who has a different surname than his sister even though they have the same mother and father. He was born before their parents were married so he has their mother's maiden name, while his sister was born after their parents were married and has their father's surname.
- In the Yellow trailer, Yang says that she has "several names", so maybe Xiao Long isn't even her real last name.
- Or is it possible Yang and Ruby's parents were separated somehow? Ruby stayed with (Summer Rose?) her mother and Yang with their father with the Xiao Long name?
- And Monty has finally revealed the definite answer on the subject: they are half-sisters with a common father. So that's one mystery cleared up.
- Well, sort of. It's still a bit weird that Yang got their father's surname, while Ruby got her mother's.
- Not really. It's obvious that Raven did not stick around after Yang's birth, and she apparently didn't want to have anything to do with Yang, so Taiyang probably just gave Yang his last name since Raven had no interest in her daughter. His dialogue about Raven in Volume 4 indicates that there was some bad blood between them by the end. They may have even agreed that she was more Taiyang's child than Raven's and that she should get his name since he was the one raising her.
- But, unless Remnant has very different naming conventions than the real-world cultures it most resembles, the weird part isn't Yang getting Taiyang's name, it's Ruby only getting Summer's.
- Parents in the real world can designate at birth what they want their child's last name to be, and Remnant's not really any different. Taiyang and Summer decided that they'd prefer Ruby to have her mother's last name, so that's how they signed the papers. Taiyang and Raven, or just Taiyang, decided that Yang would have his last name, and that's how they signed those papers. It's unlikely that Taiyang was planning on having more children when Yang was born, and a couple of years separate Ruby and Yang, so Taiyang and Summer probably discussed it and decided to be different with Ruby than with Yang, since they almost certainly had a much more stable relationship.
- Yes, parents can choose any name they wish, but it would be very unusual to not include the name of a known father who wants to be, and is allowed to be, involved with the child. The question is not why she got Summer's name. The question is why she didn't get Taiyang's as well.
- Why would she get two last names? We haven't really seen compound names much in Remnant, and the only character known to have one is Taiyang himself, which might preclude Ruby from getting a compound name. Ruby Rose sounds better than Ruby Rose-Xiao-Long. Middle names don't seem to be a thing either. And since we know that Jacques Schnee took the name of his wife instead of the other way around, naming conventions seem to be a little more fluid on Remnant, possibly to keep up with the tradition of naming children after colors.
- Perhaps Ruby uses her mother's surname as a way of honoring someone who, according to everyone, was a great person. While Yang uses her dad's as a way of claiming her heritage and family, since she's not Summer's daughter.
- Why do they use a shortened version of the already shortened version of the Opening song? They showed what looked like a full opening (sequence not the actual song) at the end of episode 1. But from then they use a shortened version of that sequence.
- Because the first episode is opening for the entire season while the other episodes are opening for just that episode. It's the same reason why they stick it at the end of the episode rather than the start.
- Does the Yellow trailer take place before the show or after some point in the show? (It is thought by some fans) she was looking for Blake when talking to Junior, but didn't react oddly to seeing her in episode 3, which suggests the second option. However, she also didn't seem to recognise Roman, who was talking to Junior when she arrived, which would suggest the former. (but she was looking for her mother. If you look on Monty Oums Deviant Art account you'll see art with the words Transient Princess on it. This is Yang's mother Raven from Team STRQ.)
- Monty has confirmed that the person Yang was looking for wasn't Blake, so there's that. As for the other thing, the trailer probably takes place during an off screen moment during the show. Either that or, if it was before the show, she just wasn't paying Roman any attention since she was more focused on Junior. (It was Yang's Mother Raven in the picture).
- Monty has also confirmed that the trailers are prologues, or at the very least, that's what he calls them.
- They may, however, be partially or wholly non canon, as the red trailer was called "A weapon resumé" and the others seem quite scattered.
- It's been implied that the Black trailer is canon, a similar event is mentioned by Weiss to have infuriated her father in the past and it is implied to be when Blake left the White Fang.
- In "Welcome to Beacon" Weiss actually refers to blowing up a night club so it's most likely canon and she was looking for Blake in between "The Stray" and "Black and White".
- "Painting the Town" confirms that the Yellow trailer is canon (at least mostly — certain elements don't fit with the show's sequence of events), but I had always wondered why and when she'd be looking for Blake. Thanks for clearing that up.
- "Burning the Candle" reveals that Yang is a mild obsession with finding her birth mother, so it is very likely that that is who was in the picture Yang was looking for. From that, Weiss's comment, and the fact that Yang references having been there before (and the Mooks reaction to her), we can assume the Yellow Trailer is definitely canon. The fact that Junior references renting some of his Mooks to Roman Torchwick, which we saw in the first episode, suggests that it did take place prior to the series.
- Before. In the show, Junior tells Yang that he hasn't seen Torchwick for months - not since the "last time" she walked into the club, when he was making a deal to hire his mooks. In the yellow trailer... Torchwick is talking to Junior when Yang walks in. It's only been a few months of school so far. More importantly, at the very beginning of the series, Torchwick already has junior's mooks working for him - the guys with bowler hats and red sunglasses.
- Why did Pyrrha shout "I'm sorry!" after she saved Jaune? Especially considering he yelled "Thank you!". Why did she have to be sorry about? She should've said something like "No problem!" or something.
- She might have been trying to provide a platform for him to land on rather than pinning him to the tree, hence the "I'm sorry!"
- A platform? It's a spear. If she had aimed lower, he would've landed on his balls. That would've been funny, but still.
- Or she had to resort to throwing her spear because she didn't land close enough to save him in a more dignified way
- It's possible the 'spear people to surfaces' thing is going to be a Running Gag, and Pyrrha apologizing every time she does it would be part of the joke, whether it makes sense to apologize or not.
- The "thank you" may even be part of the running gag. The first time, when Pyrrha pins Jaune to a locker, you can see Weiss mouth something that might have been "thank you".
- The simple answer is that she's just overly polite. Those types of people do exist.
- So Pyrrha's a Canadian?
- Given that Vol 2's intro shows her aura generating maple leaves...I think that yes, she is.
- Running Gag? Catchphrase, more likely.
- She threw a spear at him that impaled him to the tree, like a butterfly. Yes, it did saved his life, but it was still painful and humiliating. And Pyrrha is just a nice enough person to care.
- Plus, he's dangling there until she can find him, his clothes have a hole in them, and that was a dangerous thing to do.
- Maybe because that was the second time she speared him to a surface like that? Maybe as a Call-Back to the previous episode?
- Possibly because she likes him and is nervous and does illogical things when it comes to him and thus said "I'm sorry".
- Is this a serious question? Because she just pinned him to a tree, that's why.
- And because this is the second time we've seen it. The first incident occurred in Vol. 1, Episode 4, when Weiss requested help from Pyrrha to get her, or more specifically, Jaune, out of that current situation.
A lot of this is just rampant speculation and I'm not even sure the "I'm sorry" one is a legitimate question. However, they can all be condensed as follows. Is it okay for me to go ahead and do so?
Ruby and Yang's Surnames
- Why, if they are siblings, do Ruby and Yang have different surnames? (Rose & Xiao Long, respectively.)
- They are half-sisters. They share the same father (Taiyang Xiao Long) and have different mothers. Ruby's mother is Summer Rose and Yang's mother is Raven Branwen, who abandoned Yang just after giving birth. The girls were raised by Taiyang and Summer until Summer's death, with help from their Uncle Qrow (Raven's twin brother). Yang uses their father's surname while Ruby uses her deceased mother's surname.
Volume 1's Opening Credits
- Why do they use a shortened version of the already shortened version of the Opening song? They showed what looked like a full opening (sequence not the actual song) at the end of episode 1. But from then they use a shortened version of that sequence.
- Because the first episode is opening for the entire season while the other episodes are opening for just that episode. It's the same reason why they stick it at the end of the episode rather than the start.
Yellow Trailer
- Does the Yellow trailer take place before the show or after some point in the show? Who is she looking for?
- It takes place before the show's pilot episode. She's searching for information on the whereabouts of her biological mother, who abandoned her when she was born. However, the actual image she shows to Junior is a just placeholder image from Monty Oum's Deviant Art piece "Transient Princess".
Pyrrha's Use of "I'm Sorry!"
- Why did Pyrrha shout "I'm sorry!" after she saved Jaune? Especially considering he yelled "Thank you!". What did she have to be sorry about?
- "I'm sorry" is Pyrrha's Catchphrase, which she uses a number of times throughout the show in both comedic and dramatic moments. It's a treated as a personality trait.
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Also, since Examples Are Not Recent (i.e. there isn't an official "now" between Volume 6 and 8), I think we should write examples in the present tense. Thoughts?
Edited by gjjones on Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:30:23 AM
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Yeah, that's another one to add to the list, if it's not already there.
Sandbox.Web Animation RWBY Clean Up
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Now that Volume 9 is going to premiere on Crunchyroll instead of Rooster Teeth's official website, I think we can remove the "First Members see episodes 1 week before public release. As a courtesy, please do not trope them for 1 week until they have been released to the general public." note from the RWBY pages.
Also, I think we can add a "Save the dates" section to the cleanup's sandbox. For example, it might look something like this:
- February 18, 2023: Premiere date for Volume 9.
- October 2023: YMMV.RWBY will allow Base-Breaking Character, Broken Base, Contested Sequel, The Scrappy, Never Live It Down and Overshadowed by Controversy entries for Volume 9.
Edited by gjjones on Jan 25th 2023 at 4:22:41 AM
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I've asked on the RWBY forum thread if there's a consensus for removing the following:
- Volume 8 spoiler tags
- the FIRST Member warnings
- Changing the spoiler tag warning from Volume 8 to Volume 9.
I don't see the point of adding dates that YMMV items become valid to trope to the sandbox. That assumes those items will be valid for Volume 9 when there's no such guarantee. The sandbox is for cleaning up issues that exist.
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No Crunchyroll, so I can't participate in any cleanup for the moment. See you in three months.
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While I've been working on removing character tropes from the main work pages to prevent any duplication problems, any ideas on moving some of the episode-specific entries listed on Trivia.RWBY to the episode recap's trivia pages?
Edited by gjjones on Feb 26th 2023 at 10:10:54 AM
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Loserswithwifi
From YMMV.Justice League XRWBY Super Heroes And Huntsmen:
- Tainted by the Preview: To say many weren’t impressed would be an understatement. Since its announcement, a group of fans were upset that RWBY‘s first movie was a non-canon team-up with those people suggesting that it should have been a movie featuring Team STRQ instead. When a screenshot showing off a scene with Ruby and Weiss side by side with Superman and Batman, those fears worsened as Superman and Batman’s designs were from the comic crossover, reminding them of the rampant shipping. While the first trailer did calm folks down, it’s not uncommon for some to wonder why this film wasn’t give a tax writeoff instead of other films and shows. Not helped in the slightest that this, and to a lesser extent Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy, was part of the reason why Volume 9 wouldn't be released until 2023.
As far as I can tell, the only part of this that would be considered an example of Tainted by the Preview is the response to the screenshot of Ruby, Weiss, Batman and Superman. However, I don’t know enough about fan responses to this movie to rewrite it myself. Can anyone help me out here?
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Sorry to double-post, but I ended up editing the Tainted by the Preview example myself. I realised I could read YMMV.RWBY Justice League to see what the example was talking about.
Okay, as per this ATT thread, we need to figure out what these three Raven Branwen examples really are and then figure out what tropes the three examples belong to.
- Hypocrite: Raven has a problematic view of family responsibilities. She feels Qrow's abandonment of the Branwen tribe is turning his back on family, but he feels she has no business lecturing him when she abandoned Taiyang and Yang. Qrow tells Yang Raven only contacts him when she wants him; once Yang seeks out Raven so she can take her to Qrow and Ruby, Raven complains about family only visiting when they need something.
- Never My Fault: In the fourth volume, Raven doesn't take responsibility for her tribe's assault on Shion leaving it vulnerable for the Grimm to destroy it. One volume later, she never acknowledges the danger she's put her tribe in by becoming a Maiden, and dismisses her decision to lure her brother and daughter into an ambush as it being a sign of faith in their skill and strength to survive.
- Secretly Selfish: While Raven initially appears to be a powerful Social Darwinist, Volume 5 reveals she is a self-absorbed coward who always puts herself above her family and the tribe's value. Raven willingly risks the lives of her own brother and Team RWBY to obtain the Relic of Knowledge so she can save her own skin. After realising it'll put her on Salem's hit-list, and Yang's willing to take the heat instead, it reduces her to tears — but she still takes the offer and flees.
So, my thinking is that the three entries are basically about the following (excluding any trope association right now):
- Example 1: Qrow and Raven's Volume 4 conversation about Raven's attitude towards family. She wants Qrow to return home to the family that raised them. Because they're bandits, he calls them thieves and murderers. She gets extremely offended at his attitude towards his "family", resulting in him retaliating by calling her definition of "family" obnoxious, given that she carries on like her own daughter doesn't exist.
- Example 2: Raven deflecting blame for wiping out an entire village, by dismissing the Grimm attack that finished off the people she left vulnerable as the speed Grimm arrive being unpredictable.
- Example 3: Raven hatched an elaborate long-term plan to protect the tribe from the Big Bad because of the Maiden in their ranks... but Yang's "The Reason You Suck" Speech exposes her as a selfish coward who manipulates others into harm's way to protect only her.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 1st 2023 at 4:33:51 PM
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Also, in addition to bringing up Raven's entries on the Trope Finder, I'm thinking we may need to trim down said entries where appropriate to work around the entry creep situation.
Edited by gjjones on Apr 4th 2023 at 1:36:30 PM
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Yeah, agreed.
I've updated the sandbox, given that some of the issues are too broad-scope in trope definition to really be able to clean. For example, what's defined as Fridge. Given the on-going issues in the official clean-up thread with identifying what does and doesn't count, I don't think a work-specific clean-up thread is possible. Several of the things listed are in the same boat, so I've moved them into the completed folder; we've pretty much done all we can with those more complicated tropes, so they're best left to the main clean-up threads from now on.
I think the single biggest issue, really, is fixing the Wall of Text issues.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 4th 2023 at 11:22:04 AM
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I've got a feeling we'll probably expect many edits to the RWBY pages over the next few weeks or so since we're two chapters away from the season finale.
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From Too Bleak, Stopped Caring:
- RWBY had already taken a turn for the Darker and Edgier toward the end of Volume 3 with what was effectively The Bad Guy Wins and two well liked characters being killed off (at least one of which was apparently planned from the beginning; even their actor was in on it). Since then the show has gone out of its way to make the protagonists lives steadily more and more miserable with increasingly insurmountable odds with little in the way of meaningful victories to alleviate the gloom, to the point were it's kind of hard to care anymore. To those who find some of the characters themselves to be quite obnoxious to begin with, the Eight Deadly Words may come into effect, or even may find some schadenfreude in it.
Thoughts about this?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Apr 24th 2023 at 1:27:39 AM
I'd say keep it up because, aside from Volume 9's "Ray of Hope" Ending showing that RWBY's efforts weren't in vain, since we don't really know the extent of how this united front came to be, recent events as far as Volume 8 (maybe even as late as Volume 9, Episode 8) outright validate what the text is saying.
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I think the last sentence can be cut for speculation (EDIT: though maybe it could be tweaked instead), though I otherwise think the example works.
Edited by RandomTroper123 on Apr 28th 2023 at 2:46:07 AM
I agree the last sentence needs to be cut. The rest is fine.
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I know this thread is nearly a year old, but since the last chapter of the ninth volume premiered like a year ago and the fate of the series is up in the air given Rooster Teeth's impending shutdown, I have some ideas:
- As I mentioned in the General Thread, we can make the Volume 9-related entries on the Character pages Spoilers Off.
- Also, I'm thinking we should create a RWBY character page cleanup thread a la the Marvel Cinematic Universe one.
Thoughts?
Edited by gjjones on May 11th 2024 at 9:51:36 AM
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Let's wait for the "official" shutdown date of the 15th, at the very least.
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Ah, gotcha.
Edited by gjjones on May 11th 2024 at 9:16:14 AM
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For what it's worth, I removed it from the YMMV page.
Also, now that The Bus Came Back has a waiting period
of at least one season after the character's absence for episodic works for characters who weren't explicitly written off, I wonder what we should do about characters who didn't appear after a certain volume (i.e. Raven after the fifth volume, etc.). Thoughts?
Edited by gjjones on Sep 19th 2022 at 8:54:09 AM
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