Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Veteran Editor IV
I typically only make character pages for single characters when it's clear a page on a group is too long (shows a red banner when you try to edit it). the only page I really made was Characters.Persona 4 Yu Narukami to save space on Characters.Persona4the Investigationteam, which is about the main protagonist and now has 54956 bytes in plain text (check in Notepad++), which seems like a pretty good benchmark for length and importance.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 15th 2021 at 9:02:28 PM
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I do agree with the suggestion of a 40,000-50,000 byte minimum (based on the above comment and as discussed in ATT). That's roughly a 6000 word article in reader mode
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 15th 2021 at 12:04:12 PM
Character Specific Page cleanup
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah. 40,000-50,000 sounds about right.
For instance a group page is 50,000 bytes on it's own and a character sheet is over 70,000. I would be fine with making a character page then.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 15th 2021 at 2:13:10 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Professor Gigachad
Though I don't think we should be too restrictive. We probably should add some criteria but I think we should approach it more in a way that it has to reach one of them rather than all of them.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
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Maybe, I guess it depends on the criteria in question.
Character Specific Page cleanup
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I feel like you have a point. What would you suggest?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 15th 2021 at 2:16:34 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Not to be a buzzkill guys, but this discussion would be much better for Wiki Talk. People who want to discuss the policy wouldn't expect the discussion to be in this forum under this thread name.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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Well, maybe we can start by brainstorming said criteria. If anyone has anything to add or change to the suggestions up top I'd be happy to hear.
Character Specific Page cleanup
Professor Gigachad
Well either.
- It has the required amount of bytes on a single character as we already said 40,000.
- The original page is so big that it would justify a split assuming there are no other options.
- The character takes up over a third of the page or maybe half.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jul 15th 2021 at 12:19:54 PM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Is there a way to move this thread there?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 15th 2021 at 2:18:54 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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Sounds like a good start
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
You'd need to holler a mod, though with the current title and OP I'm not sure if this would be able to transfer smoothly. I'm not suggesting this thread move, but the conversation has to.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Someone want holler the mod to move the thread to Wiki Talk? I would but I don't know how.
You know what I will just start a new thread there.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 15th 2021 at 2:21:31 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Professor Gigachad
With this idea there might be some cases where a page doesn't have the required amount of bytes but for some other reason a split is necessary.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
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Agreed, I think more than one requirement is a good start
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Should we lock this thread to keep the discussion in one place?
Someone just started making individual character pages in the Street Fighter characters section, and, I'm not exactly sure what the point is.
The characters already have individual collapsible Folders, so it's not like it takes a long time to scroll past them or anything.
It just kinda makes the indexes look more cluttered and harder to navigate. And I don't see the benefit.
When push comes to shove, you gotta do what you love, even if it's not a good idea.
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Uh, yeah That's me.
Kinda why we're here
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 15th 2021 at 3:58:52 AM
Character Specific Page cleanup
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah this whole thing started because of of that. Now the question how big are they and how big were the originals.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
So here is what was agreed upon by the Wiki Talk thread.
- Character page bypasses technical limit and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
- Character is cleaned up beforehand, removing any ZCE and outdated/misused tropes.
- Character page is at least 6,000 words/40,000 bytes
- Other options must have been tired first, like splitting pages into further groups
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Unsure about these ones currently:
- Dragalia Lost Main Characters Prince Euden
- Dragalia Lost Main Characters Cleo
- Dragalia Lost Main Characters Brunhilda Mym
- Street Fighter Chun Li
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 16th 2021 at 3:35:25 AM
Character Specific Page cleanup
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
The Dragalia Lost ones are not even close to long enough to justify being seperated.
How big was Chun-Li's original page? Because as is she is only barely over 29,000.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 16th 2021 at 7:02:06 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?
: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes?
thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread
, as do the self-demonstrating character pages
.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Character Specific Page cleanup