So Bad It's Good cleanup

Over at the Wick Check thread, I was debating doing a wick check for this trope, but I ultimately decided that the misuse was not bad enough (yet) for a trip to the TRS.

So Bad, It's Good is a trope about works that are so horrible, that they find an audience of people who like them because of how bad they are. Unfortunately, it also has a habit of attracting complaining entries that bash the work they are attached to. They can also fail to explain why audiences would want to watch something that is bad, and only insult the work instead.

If anyone finds any misuse, complaining, ZCEs, or other bad entries under this trope, feel free to bring them here.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Mar 4th 2021 at 9:28:13 AM

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I'll start with this entry on YMMV.On Deadly Ground:

• So Bad, It's Good: This movie is ripe with moments of Steven Seagal making a total fool out of himself and other actors saying ridiculous dialogue, not to mention how blatant the Green Aesop is and how the movie carelessly handles it.

This entry clearly isn't being neutral, and is mostly just complaining about the movie. Should it be cut?

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Bumping for help with the above

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That page may need more help than a single trope cut. The entire YMMV/ page, as well as any characterization or thematic tropes on the Film/ page are taking a similar, hard panning tone. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately?) I have not seen the movie, so I can't really comment on the validity of any of it.

I don't know if an example of So Bad, It's Good has to be neutral, per se, as its about works that are generally considered "Bad" in terms of some quality or other; but it should explain what the audience might enjoy about those bad parts... This particular entry does not give any indication of what makes the movie worth watching anyway...

Good points. I updated the OP.

No clue as to what to do about the whole page. I took it to the complaining cleanup and the description was improved, but the rest of the page needs work. Haven't seen the movie so I can't do much, but I guess we'll keep watch.

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Bringing up the following example from Miami Vice:

• So Bad, It's Good: Purely in writing terms, "Viking Bikers from Hell" ranks as one of the show's worst episodes, with Miami being terrorized by a gang that appears to consist of just three bikers, a bunch of filler scenes that go nowhere, Tubbs being shot point-blank in the head and surviving with nothing more than a mild concussion, and the episode in general showing signs of the increasingly absurd approach that the next season suffered from. However, thanks to the greater emphasis than usual on action sequences, and Reb Brown's hilariously over-the-top performance as the episode's Big Bad, the end result actually manages to be a lot more entertaining than it has any right to be.

Is the episode legitimately seen as the trope? If so, the example needs a rewrite to be less complain-y. If not, it can be cut.

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Bringing up the following example from Tall Girl:

• So Bad, It's Good: If there's any entertainment value to gain from this movie, it's laughing at how stupid it is, given how hard it strains to portray the main character as "brave" and "self-assured". For being tall. Boo-Hoo.

I'm gonna take that to the complaining cleanup because I don't know if it is legit, but it sounds too complain-y to keep as is.

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Bringing up the following example from Bonekickers:

• So Bad, It's Good: The British press treated the series with, at first, Bile Fascination, but later decided it was a So Bad, It's Good Guilty Pleasure. The show was immensely popular with real archaeologists for its factually absurd details like cleaning ancient bones with metal tools and standing on the edges of trenches, ludicrous ignorance of history (such as treating it as a history-book rewriting mystery when hearing the skeleton of an English Crusader was found carrying a Saracen coin, which is easily explicable based on knowing anything about The Crusades at all) and for Dr Magwilde, the leader of the team who knows nothing about history, appreciates it mainly based on who was creating the biggest buildings (calling Stonehenge a 'rockery'), and routinely throws away and breaks historical artifacts.

I have no idea of the reception of the show, but the example seems like it might be able to stay, but with a rewrite to be a little less complain-y.

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Bringing up the following example from The Book of Henry:

• So Bad, It's Good: A lot of the film's detractors find the second half of the movie horrific but still entertaining to watch in a trainwreck sense due to the sheer over-the-top ridiculousness of everything that transpires.

I mean, I think that's alright and not too bash-y, but I don't know for certain. Requesting more input from others.

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Bringing up the following example from Wild West COW Boys Of Moo Mesa:

• So Bad, It's Good: The concept of the show is so ridiculous, people can't help but enjoy it.

Bringing up the following example from Star Trek: Voyager S2E15 "Threshold":

• So Bad, It's Good: Tom Paris travels at infinite speed, becomes a catfish, turns Janeway into a catfish, and they have baby catfish. And they're cured by injections of antimatter.
  • The entire episode isn't good by any means, but go into it looking for something to ridicule and laugh at, maybe with some drinks and friends, and you'll be entertained as hell.
  • Heck, at a con panel, Robert Duncan McNeill (Tom Paris) even said something to the effect of, "if you watch that episode in a different state of mind, you'll appreciate it."

Very natter-y. Take it to the Natter cleanup thread, I'm not sure exactly what to do with it (plus this thread's basically dead.)

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• The 2008 remake of the 1980 slasher flick Prom Night (1980) is hilariously bad. First off, it's a slasher flick rated PG-13. As if that wasn't bad enough, the movie plays out almost every possible applicable cliché, but in a tremendously boring way. The plot is lousy, the acting is bad, even for this genre, the suspense is as exciting as watching grass grow, and the teenage melodrama bullshit is pathetic. Also, it tried really, really hard to jump-scare the audience with bedroom decor. Lamp DUN!

I think this is a So Bad Its Horrible entry either disguised as So Bad Its Good, or the troper really misunderstood the trope.

And its not the first time this happens. This needs serious work to be done.

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From Monkey King: Quest for The Sutra.

• So Bad, It's Good: Even ignoring the fact that it has next to zero faithfulness to the source material, the few reviewers online found other deal-breaking issues with the series. Miscast roles are worse than that of the already mixed reception to the Cult Classic 1996/1998 HK adaptation, various out of character moments with the protagonists, average plot and comedy that didn't cover anything new. One can still easily find a scattered, isolated few who justifiably thinks its this trope given Eric Kot's comedic portrayal of Zhu Bajie, but overall it is questionable whether this 2002 HK adaptation could even gather a handful of fans given online circles largely ignore this series and the few that reviews it tend to think of it as so bad its horrible instead.

I have deleted this because not only is it misuse of SBIG to argue that this work of fiction actually isn't that trope. And honestly, as someone familiar with this trainwreck of a adaptation, I am wondering if this series is legitimately So Bad, It's Horrible instead as implied here(tl;dr: It was overwhelming seen as the worst Journey to the West adaptation ever, and this other adaptations that have done the same things this adaptation got roasted for weren't as panned)

I agree that that seems like misuse to me too. From what I can pick up, however, I think it might be hated enough to count as So Bad, It's Horrible. (Sorry for responding late.)

I'm not sure if it's hated enough to count as So Bad, It's Horrible, but if it is, then I feel it should count. Either way, I agree it's misuse of So Bad, It's Good since it doesn't explain how it's entertaining due to its poor quality. If it helps, there's also a cleanup thread for the foremost trope, though I don't know if going there is necessary in this case.