Ban-Evader Reversion Thread
Please read the outline below before proceeding any further.Important Note: This thread is devoted to reverting the edits of Tropers who have repeatedly chosen to evade their bans and suspensions, since serial ban-evasion is an act which is by its very nature a display of untrustworthiness, the fact that some ban-evaders outright engage in vandalism or add false information notwithstanding.
, due to the prolific nature of serial ban-evaders, there needs to be a team effort devoted to reverting any and all edits made by ban-evaders, especially serial ban-evaders, and investigating otherwise suspicious edits.
Depending on how much of the pages can be salvaged, they will either be noted in the B.E.R.T. Watch-List, locked if necessary, or cut if unsalvageable.
Any Frequently Vandalized Pages will also be monitored for suspicious activity.
If you notice a page is primarily edited by a certain ban-evader and/or their socks, please bring your findings to this thread so that cleanup can commence.
Potentially valid examples added by ban evaders should be transferred to Ban-Evader Example Rewrites so they can be salvaged. Make sure to mention transferring examples to the sandbox in your edit reason so others who may be willing to rewrite are aware.
Handling General Ban-Evader Edits:
To paraphrase what is stated here and here:
- Bad faith is not necessarily assumed with the contributions of first-time ban-evaders, and their contributions can simply be rephrased assuming they're accurate.
- Any serial (more than once) ban-evader cannot be taken at their word, so their contributions are subject to harsher scrutiny. Any verifiable examples can be reworded (especially if there are grammatical or formatting issues), but unverifiable, false, or otherwise prohibited edits are removed.
- Ban-evaders who deliberately contribute inaccurate or false information are able to have their contributions deleted with little hesitation.
- Rewording or reverting can be as simple as expanding on a ban-evader's existing edits, especially if it means adding sufficient context or trimming word cruft.
The subsequent portions of this section outline further how to handle different kinds of edits and contributions.
The following types of edits can be left alone to preserve wiki quality:
- Grammatical corrections.
- Spelling corrections.
- Formatting updates and corrections.note
- Crosswicked examples from other tropers.
- Indexing (if accurate).note
- Accurately written potholes.note
- Links to the correct Work/Recap/Instalment/Franchise page, including red-linked works.note
- Archive edits. (See here.)
- Launched Tropes.note
The following edits might need to be reworded in order to stay on the wiki, and depending on the examples, may need to be re-evaluated/verified in this thread or in the proper cleanup threads.
- Zero-Context Example expansion.
- Otherwise correctly formatted and valid edits.
The following edits should remain hidden until they can be verified, and deleted if proven inaccurate:
The following items must be sent to the cut-list/otherwise removed on principle (and if applicable, re-created by a trustworthy editor from scratch using a Sandbox):
- Pages created by ban-evaders using their socks.note
- Videos uploaded by ban evaders using their socks.note
- Please refrain from "popcorn posting". This means refraining making comments such as "man, they don't know when to quit", or otherwise unproductive posts.
- Please maintain an atmosphere of civility.
- Please do not withhold information about potential sock-puppetry or other ban-evasion related misconduct, as withholding such information makes one an accessory to ban-evasion.
- When reverting edits, please make notes in the sandboxes, and transfer any potentially valid edits to the appropriate sandbox.
- When reverting ban-evader edits, please use an appropriate (and civil) edit reason.
- Should you suspect a ban-evader has shown up in this thread, please do not make open accusations, trash-talk them, or engage in other uncivil behaviour. Quietly holler the post and wait for mod input; if necessary (especially if suspicious edits or issues unrelated to the forum are involved), make a query at "Ask The Tropers".
- Please respect the thread consensus once it has been established. If an item is resolved, it is usually resolved for a reason.
- If you have any suggestions for new policies, or wish to contest an old one, do it in the General Policy Discussion, not here.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 13th 2024 at 10:23:58 AM
Susjection!
To be fair, they didn't note on the YMMV page that it was a transfer.
she/her
Right :) Speaking of BrokenBase.Tangled The Series, the ban evader wrote a big entry there. On the one hand, I feel like cutting it: it's mostly complaining about a remote prospect and a bunch of other things that are already complained about on the Series' YMMV page X) On the other hand, it was edited a bit by AGT Magic, and I don't mean to undo their work.
Also, the ban evader deleted an entry on Tangled - Main Characters. It was a commented-out entry and, I guess, a bit of a ZCE. Should it be restored? (Maybe I'll add context. Someday.)
Pinging Sky Cat 32
Hm? All I know what I posted something and it got moved. No idea what you men by collaborating with someone.
The Draftsman of Doom
I never said you were working with the BE.
I assumed that the original edit belonged to the BE, and you had reverted it to what the BE wrote for some reason, presumably because you thought you were restoring context.
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For the record, I did not realize you were suspended.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 10th 2023 at 12:05:25 PM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Okay, so why can't I make edits now?
Discarded and Feeling Blue
What do you mean by "can't"? If the system's not allowing you, you might have an editing suspension.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Aye, you are currently suspended. Discussions on suspensions go to the edit banned thread.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Draftsman of Doom
@Tenebrika
The following types of edits can be left alone to preserve wiki quality:
- Grammatical corrections.
- Spelling corrections.
- Formatting updates and corrections.
- Crosswicked examples from other tropers.
The following edits need to be reworded in order to stay on the wiki, and should be re-evaluated in this thread or in the proper cleanup threads.
- Zero-Context Example expansion.
- Otherwise correctly formatted and valid edits.
To clarify, if the entry has already been altered by another Troper to the point that it is no longer recognizable as a ban-evader's handiwork, it can stay.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Susjection!
One of Mimic's edits was him indexing a trope he launched. I think we should leave edits that are just adding tropes to indexes alone. Thoughts?
The Draftsman of Doom
If the index fits, I feel it can stay.
~Tropers/Berrenta, what do you think?
Updated the header accordingly.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 17th 2021 at 11:16:49 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Discarded and Feeling Blue
Yeah, guys, no need to go overboard. We shouldn't delete things that are objectively helpful to the wiki, like indexes and ZCE work.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Veteran Editor IV
Asking here because this is the most ban-evader related thread.
If I wanted to retry a trope that was cut because the launcher was a ban evader by making a TLP draft, do I have to ask here for permission? I'm talking about Weapons For Hands, as you can see in the cut reason.
Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 18th 2021 at 1:19:18 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
How sweet it is
Indeed, leave edits adding tropes to indices alone. If there's a blurb after the indexed trope, that can be rewritten.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
The Draftsman of Doom
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Piter, I see no problem with doing that. The site policies have likely changed since that was cut.
Adjusted header accordingly.
Looking forward.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 18th 2021 at 1:02:00 PM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Veteran Editor IV
Okay then. I'll make the TLP draft today or tomorrow when I have the time.
Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 18th 2021 at 4:04:44 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
Susjection!
The only reason I brought up indexing was because the edit I linked had a blurb, and I wanted to make sure if that should be left alone or not. I never would've brought up the topic here otherwise. Anyway, I've since rewritten that blurb.
Edited by Kevjro7 on Feb 18th 2021 at 8:57:36 AM
The Moron
Hey, so I know I don't post here often, but considering how there's no doubt plenty more ban evaders to be found in the future, does it make sense to have a separate Sandbox for ban evaders whose edits have all been reverted? Like, out of the ones on the main sandbox now, Book-Buccaneer and Nerdaniel Nordo have been completely reverted (as far as we can tell, anyway), so I feel like it makes sense to put them somewhere else so that the main sandbox doesn't get bogged down when we have to add more.
Thoughts?
Nicely done
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Feb 21st 2021 at 2:01:43 PM
Susjection!
I think adding a folder for completed reverts to the sandbox we already have is sufficient. I'll add that folder right now.
I would like to ask questions about how to lift the suspension I have received for my role in the edit war over Tangled The Series...
Lots of coffee
You want this thread.
The Moron
Well, the Troper formerly known as Leedo has been confirmed as a sock for Leirdo, known for causing problems on the page for WMG.Super Smash Bros Ultimate Spirit Ideas. Willbyr already reverted the page, so there's no edits to worry about for us, but the page in question should probably go on the watchlist.
The Moron
Hey-o, so I'm going through Mimic's edits on the A-Team, and I noticed that a few of them were just adding Recap links under episode titles for specific examples, meaning we've got another potential issue to resolve: if a ban evader adds a recap link on an otherwise valid edit (in that they didn't provide the rest of the example, just the link), can the link stay or should it go?
Cool. That makes that page a bit more manageable.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Feb 24th 2021 at 1:48:07 PM
The Draftsman of Doom
I think that adding the link to the recap page would fall under the same jurisdiction as adding a link to a work or franchise page, inasmuch as adding such links, as long as they are links to the correct page, should not be a problem.
Addendum: Added the following to the header:
- Links to the correct Work/Recap/Instalment/Franchise page, including red-linked works.note
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 24th 2021 at 3:19:05 PM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
This just in, Fighteer confirmed that coconutkirin is a ban-evading sock of 4tell0life4, so their edits will have to be reverted. Start with the Genshin Impact pages, because they frequented them A LOT.
Edited by DivineFlame100 on Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:06:57 AM
That's my bad: I didn't look closely at the Broken Base page. So, that was just Neko Hybrid edit-warring over their entry; the ban evader only moved it to another page.