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(Edited Mar 28 2024, adding bullet about OTC and amending layout a little)
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
Redmess
While I agree with making a new thread, I feel relegating questions to hollers is a bit problematic, since those tend to get lost and generally don't get a lot of feedback.
Optimism is a duty.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeahh, in my experience Hollers are either answered instantly or never.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Even after rereading, there is nothing in the OP suggesting that questions should be posted to hollers. Reports, yes, but they aren't the same thing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Redmess
So where should bigger problems that cannot be solved with a single holler be discussed?
Optimism is a duty.
A procrastination in of itself
I think that falls under the “general complaints” bit of the OP, so right here.
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Redmess
Are we still allowed to tell mods how well they're doing their jobs?
Optimism is a duty.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
To complain/praise the moderation? Yes.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Redmess
I did mean in the praise sense, by the way. 
I genuinely do think that thumped posts should have a “Show” option. Readers who wanted context could see them, but other readers would still choose to stay out of them.
I'm helping!
The reason most sites don't do that is that in many cases, the continued existence of a rule-violating post could cause further problems, even with a (USER WAS SUSPENDED FOR THIS POST)-type warning.
Like, extreme example, but if someone decided to post a bunch of links to illegal porn. Or more realistically, if someone posted an inflammatory political opinion designed to rile people up and get them yelling about it.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Lost in Space
Right. We hide them because they violate the rules. We aren't going to allow users to continue arguing whatever was being argued or click on spam links or whatever. We as moderators can still view the posts' content if needed. So if you really urgently need to know, ask us.
Edited by Fighteer on Oct 29th 2020 at 2:40:10 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Redmess
I agree, curiosity inducing as the thump messages may be, they are thumped for a reason.
Optimism is a duty.
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah letting us see what people said to get thumped is just a bad idea, if anyone is that curious as to what people are doing that gets them in trouble they can always offer to join the mod team. 
sick down from the bones to the other side
this is kind of a dumb question I think, but one that I want to ask anyway—can the mods see the edit history of a given post? for example, if someone gets hollered for a post, and they edit part of it out so that they look innocent
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Lost in Space
Edit history is not saved for forum posts. Thumped posts should not be editable (by users) and that's on the list to get fixed.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, as morbidly curious as I may get, I know that the thumps are for the best. Keeps us from focusing on the drama.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Redmess
I'm a bit surprised you don't just delete posts outright. That's how most forums deal with it.
Optimism is a duty.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Some posts do get deleted outright. If you've ever read some of the earlier Edit Banned posts, a lot of it is mods responding to people whose comments have been wiped.
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Lost in Space
That ability got lost in one of the site upgrades. We're hoping to get it back eventually.
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I think the system with thumping is better than outright deleting posts, because you can still see that a certain user posted something. Threads where the moderators have deleted a lot of posts can get confusing, because you can see people responding to something, but you can't see whom they're responding to.
You may end up with something like:
1. Alice posts something controversial. 2. Bob responds by a counter-argument and also calls Alice by some ugly names. 3. Charlie criticizes Bob's counter-argument for having faulty logic.
Then the moderator deletes Bob's post because of what he called Alice.
Now, it looks like if Charlie is responding to Alice's post and saying her logic is faulty, when in reality Charlie agrees completely with her.
If Bob's post had been thumped instead, it would still be obvious that Charlie was criticizing Bob and not Alice.
Agree with that.
Human Bean
Talking about thumped posts, I believe some should be left visible to other users, for the sake of transparency and if they aren't too controversial to be shown. I can make an example of this post of mine that was thumped a few minutes later. What rule I violated can be guessed in the following posts (I asked again about Lotso as CM from Toy Story 3), but there shouldn't be a problem in showing that I made a polite request nonetheless, even if I shouldn't have reopened a topic that was closed years ago.
I'm helping!
There may exist rule-violating posts that need to be acted upon, but are better left visible than removed.
They should be an exception to the norm, not the default outcome.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
A procrastination in of itself
Also I imagine that post deletion would play havoc with systems that bring you to the last post you viewed or even just the post number tracking.
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(Edited Mar 28 2024, adding bullet about OTC and amending layout a little)
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman