Headscratchers Cleanup

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#326: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:18:06 PM

So… am I good to cut those Ace Attorney headscratchers?

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.

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#327: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:19:04 PM

Probably, yeah.

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#328: Jul 24th 2022 at 6:39:45 PM

On the subject of Ace Attorney Headscratchers here's an entry on the Apollo Justic page.

Case 3 Spoilers

In Apollo Justice case 3 (Turnabout Seranade) the characters regularly reaffirm that the murder weapon, a 45mm revolver, is so powerful that it would dislocate the shoulder of an adult of average build. How is it then, that someone as small as Machi is the prime suspect, when it should be pretty obvious that if he had fired the gun, the recoil would have done a lot more damage to damage to him?
- Everyone reaffirms just as often, if not more so, that an experienced shooter can easily go away unscathed. Thus, the Judge assumed that Machi was experienced, as he was the only one who could have conceivably committed the crime. What baffles me is that I'm the only one to notice this.
  - I noticed that as well, but I can't convince myself that experience would be worth anything whatsoever when the attacker has the body of a child. Even the real killer gets injured by using the weapon, and he's a fully trained and experienced member of the police.
- Additionally, Prosecutor Gavin notes that the authorities want a suspect to be found and prosecuted quickly, due to the high-profile nature of the incident. He's aware that there are logical flaws in the case, but he isn't being given the time to investigate properly.
- Ahm, what about the fact that to even get the gun in the first place, tiny Machi would have to wrestle it away from a highly trained Interpol agent that easily dwarfs him?
- Also, Machi would have to bring the dead body of this Interpol agent on the stage, all by himself, in maybe 15 minutes. This Interpol agent was probably three time his size. How did they explain that?
  - Like someone said, the case is so high profile that the D.A.s are putting pressure on the cops and prosecutor's office to find and prosecute a suspect as soon as possible. The case has numerous logical flaws, as Gavin knows, but his bosses are rushing things too much to allow a full investigation. Since Machi is too scared to tell his side, the best Gavin can do is try to push Apollo to find the truth in the trial itself. Such politically-motivated railroading isn't without precedent in real life.
  - You'd think they'd try harder though. What looks worse - taking longer to find a suspect, or going ahead with a trial in which an 14 year old boy is being accused of killing a grown man three times his size? That's just asking to get your case thrown out. Politically motivated rail-roading generally involves an upside to the rail-roader.
  - Also, as a bit of fridge logic, think about the actual outcome of the case. "The D.A. pressured the police and prosecutors to find out who killed an Interpol agent, so they quickly placed blame on an fourteen-year-old child who was believed to be legally blind. During the trial, though, a well-foreheaded defense attorney proved that it was in fact a full-grown fully-trained member of the police force who committed the crime and also used the child as an accomplice in committing another crime that broke international accords and was politically motivated as far as the Chief Justice's office, and was the best friend and bandmate of the prosecutor who accused the child." Would you have any faith in your police force after reading that?
- Word of God says that the case was written based on the assumption that Daryan was the one manipulating the investigation and the police but that ultimately they failed to make this clear in the game.
- As has already been stated, the thing that everyone seems to misconstrue about this case is the fact that the characters "ignore" the issue with the gun as though Apollo doesn't think to bring it up, and everyone everyone is also conveniently ignoring the problem. That isn't the case. The trial proceedings progress under the assumption that, because Machi is the only possible culprit, he must be experienced with a gun. As has been pointed out, the judge basically says this several times, but people still seem to misconstrue it has "everyone's ignoring the issue", when it's really a case of "everyone's already silently put the issue to rest". Apollo has no proof that Machi isn't experienced with firearms, Machi can't prove it himself, and Klavier can just counter any argument that he's a kid and his shoulder should be damaged with "he's a strange foreign kid we know nothing about he could have plenty of firearms training". Plus by three quarters of the way through the first trial day, it's also been shown that Interpol is involved (and the ID left is, at first, thought to belong to the killer), and at that point, the assumption then becomes that Machi isn't just some "scared foreign kid", but has some sort of big secret, such as that he's an Interpol agent. I don't get why people make such stink about the issue with the gun being "ignored", when the game constantly makes it obvious that they're not just "ignoring" the issue. The issue just keeps becoming more and more of a non-issue with each new revelation that pops up.

Pretty sure the highlighted bits violate basic "don't be a dick" rules. I only highlighted a couple of sentences in the last reply, but honestly the whole thing reads really passive aggressively. It reads like the writer is just complaining that other fans don't view the case like they do.

Edited by GenericGuy2000 on Jul 24th 2022 at 9:40:07 AM

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#329: Aug 1st 2022 at 9:44:00 AM

Bumping. Any input on the above?

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#330: Aug 8th 2022 at 4:28:43 PM

I think you can delete the parts complaining about other fans not getting it

This is from Star Trek: The Original Series. It is basically just a long thread complaining about people shipping Kirk and Spock, which is not really a question about the work itself. Can I delete it for being meta?

Kirk and Spock... They're Just Friends, Honest!

Possibly a prime example of "One troper's Squee is another troper's Squick, but what is up with all the K/S shipping. To me it seems like Canon Defilement of the worst kind.
- That was my reaction for a long time, but now it either makes sense, or I'm desensitized to it. I think it's about their enduring, rock-solid friendship. After all, I presume K/S fics aren't just one of them dropping trou and begging the other for penis. Quite a few of them are probably If It's You, It's Okay.
  - Actually, quite a few of them are the first thing you said.
- You do realize this sounds a little homophobic, don't you? If you were talking about, for example, Kirk/Uhura, you wouldn't call it Canon Defilement. It's just some fans seeing romance where others don't. It's natural for any fandom.
  - I think the fact that you even brought it up when there was no reason for you to do is telling of how well-known the pairing is. It created the whole modern slash fan fic subgenre and is one of the most popular pairings more than 40 years later. It's highly ambiguous and there does seem to be a reasonable amount of subtext which leaves this all open for interpretation. In any case, all works of fiction are open for interpretation. And even though you wouldn't be able to convince many people Spock and Uhura is TOS canon^note I wouldn't call Abrams' addition of it in his universe "canon defilement".
  - Besides, it's traditional by now. The need to describe the Kirk/Spock pairing is the Trope Namer for Slash Fic.
  - It's possible to be squicked out purely by the Canon Defilement aspect of that ship without any implication of homophobia; if it's any consolation there are definitely gay Trek fans out there who find this pairing unsettling for that reason.
  - Including gay screenwriter David Gerrold, who loathes it with the burning passion of a thousand suns.
  - Sure, but the fact that some gay people hate the pairing doesn't mean that there's no homophobia in the disproportionate amount of disgust it gets from some parts of fandom. I mean, you can disagree about whether or not that's a reasonable interpretation of their relationship in canon without finding the whole idea utterly disgusting...and if you do find it utterly disgusting, maybe do a little thinking about why that's the case, because from here it makes you look homophobic.
  - Given Kirk's practically a notorious womanizer anyway, it wouldn't be all too out of character for him if LGBT community over the years is whether it is right or wrong for heterosexuals to have any sort of fantasy or fetish for gays or lesbians - I believe that may be the sort of sentiment being got at here. I personally do not agree as I think that having fantasies and fetishes is all very well and good as long as no one is harmed by it, but I suppose some people think that the image of the LGBT community is being harmed by the portrayal of homosexual love purely for the enjoyment of the heterosexual viewer. On the flip side of course, the amount of heterosexuals (men in particular) who find the concept of the same sex finding them attractive disgusting, it seems that there must be similar discussions on both sides in different forms for different reasons.
  - I think I did write the comment being replied to. I'm male and bi, and my view of slash itself is positive; it's a creative act, folklore, taking control of the narrative, culture jamming. What I object to is slashophiles' insistence that it's canon; that the Star Trek creative team inserted numerous subtexts which are "obvious" to viewers "in on the secret". To me, that's more like canon defilement. It reads like conspiracy theory, and, most important, it cancels out the aforementioned creative power of fan-controlled, folkloric narrative, by establishing it as part of the show's reality all along. It's a form of Jossing, if you want the truth. Also, D.C. Fontana when asked replied with a strongly worded negative. As far as slash writers consciously intending gay inclusion & visibility, no, although these may have evolved over time. As far as I can tell, slash began as kind of an erotic thought experiment. But I agree that these are very, very complex issues.
- Sorry to break it to you with your claim of Canon Defilement but Gene Roddenberry went on record as saying that he would have made Kirk and Spock gay if he could have gotten away with it. Back in the 1960's, not even the man who screened the first inter-racial kiss in history could get around the homosexuality taboo. If you re-watch the series with this in mind, the subtext suddenly makes infinitely more sense when you realize he was deliberately writing them this way.
  - This is probably another example of Roddenberry Retcon. He was initially looking for a way to bring audience attention back on Shatner, who was getting seriously pissed that Nimoy was getting ten times the fan mail/attention he was. It was Isaac Asimov who suggested that Roddenberry portray the two as friends so that Spock fans would pay attention to Kirk. It's a pretty safe bet that Roddenberry was talking out his ass in the book you're quoting from (which is the now-forgotten Shatner, Where No Man, a 1979 bio written by Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath, a couple of Objectivist devotees who had some of the most bizarre ideas ever in ST fandom). Be that as it may, learning about slash gave Roddenberry himself the idea to include the "t'hy'la" business in his novel for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Fans who had never heard of slash discovered it through that infamous footnote. Also, Roddenberry himself was apparently accused of being gay as a child because he didn't fit the "real man" stereotype of his dad's culture. According to George Takei, he was very supportive of real gays.
- Not to mention that Star Trek is a Free-Love Future according to Word of God.
  - Which (both realistically and in context) need not imply that everyone does everything with everyone else, simply that they can (without becoming social pariahs or worse). For a Free-Love Future, the Trek franchise in practice is pretty conservative.
  - David Gerrold did say (in Shat's 2015 documentary film Chaos on the Bridge), that in the TNG episode on Risa, Roddenberry asked if they could show gay and Lesbian couples kissing and making out along with the straight ones in that world.
- An important point as well is that slash fans didn't necessarily see something that sprang out of thin air. Rather, they were seeing the ghost of something that was once meant to be explicitly canon — sexual tension between a first officer and the captain. Originally, the show would have centered around Captain Pike and his logical first (and female) officer, Number One, who had romantic feelings for him. When Pike was replaced with Kirk and Spock took Number One's place after the executives got involved, though, the remnants of that relationship still lingered. Additionally, some of the writers for Trek did write stories sympathetic to homosexuality, even in a time as prejudiced against gay people as the 60s was. The most prominent is Theodore Sturgeon who wrote "The World Well Lost" which depicts the love Grunty holds for Rootes — his Captain who is described as a "arrogant, loquacious womanizer." Sound familiar? Sturgeon wrote "Amok Time" as well as "Shore Leave" — both of which contain clear homosexual subtext, such as Kirk trying to get a backrub out of Spock. Given that "The World Well Lost" was published in 1953, it's likely that Gene Roddenberry was aware of Sturgeon's views. And, as has been pointed out on this very wiki, Roddenberry himself coined the term t'hy'la to describe Spock and Kirk's relationship — meaning "friend, brother, lover." And given that Vulcan is a fantasy language and constructed, there was no need for Roddenberry to include the word "lover" as part of the definition. That's not to say that people can't find it Squicky, but to say it is Canon Defilement is a bit much, I would say because, in canon at least, there's little doubt that Kirk and Spock do love each other. They may not be in love, of course, but they are clearly among the most important people in each other's lives. And given that neither of them have shown an opposition to same-sex relations, it wouldn't be out of character necessarily for them to fall in love.
  - Sturgeon didn't write Amok Time alone, however. He based it on an original idea by Roddenberry and Coon, and his outline was passed around for many, many rewrites by Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana, Justman, Solow, NBC program director Stan Robertson and Kellam-Deforest Research team Peter Sloman and Joan Pierce — who threw out half of what Sturgeon wrote! We don't know who wrote what. What we do know is that Vulcan was originally conceived by Sturgeon as a B&D culture, with women "absolutely owned" and giving "absolute obedience"!
- It also doesn't help that the two of them are basically Confirmed Bachelors. Kirk may become infatuated with the Girl of the Week, but he never seems to even think about them afterward unless (as with Dr. Carol Marcus) he happens to run into them again at a later date. Spock has also had some brief liaisons, but these never seem to go anywhere either. So their closest and most enduring relationship remains with each other (with a little McCoy on the side). Even though they often go off on separate career paths by the time of the movies, they still gravitate towards each other. Hence it is very easy to read Ho Yay into their relationship. Unless you are a firm believer in No Bisexuals, it is not hard to speculate that they are essentially a couple in an open relationship due to mutual aversion to commitment.
- Just something to ponder here but in Star Trek Generations Kirk's most heartfelt dream made flesh wasn't to sit on the bridge of the Enterprise with Spock, it was to settle down back on Earth with his long lost female love. If there was this massive secret forbidden love between them then why would Kirk choose some woman he hasn't seen in years over Spock? Sorry but these two are Heterosexual Life-Partners and nothing more.
- Something else to think about; when the Trek novel Killing Time was published (in 1985), Pocket neglected to remove a heaping amount of K/S (or at least strong subtext) that Paramount had told them to edit out. A copy made its way into Roddenberry's hands and he was furious. It wasn't the idea of homosexuality that he was angry with. It was the suggestion that Kirk and Spock were gay for each other. He was so pissed a revised edition was required. Much more here about Killing Time and what happened with the revision. This was also what put the nail in the coffin when it came to whether or not the novels could be considered part of the canon. Not sure how that jibes with the idea that he initially wanted to make them in love but wasn't allowed to. Also, that footnote referred to above has Kirk saying that while he's not offended by the suggestion that he and Spock were lovers, he simply is not attracted to men in that fashion.
  - The decree that the novels had to fit into the canon came much earlier, after Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath's Fate of the Phoenix (1979) in which an edict came down from Roddenberry and/or his assistant that a duplicate Kirk created in the Phoenix novels must die at the end because with Star Trek: The Motion Picture then in production, "there could not be a second, identical, real Kirk left in the Star Trek universe."
    FWIW, according to David Gerrold (whom they relentlessly badgered at conventions), Marshak and Culbreath were notoriously aggressive promoters of the "Slash Premise" although they couldn't make it explicit in their published novels^note and were finally barred from the Paramount lot and from any contact with the actors, producers or staff at around the time The Motion Picture was being made.
I get what people are saying in defense of the pairing, but to me, it highlights a problem with our culture that Doctor Nerdlove pointed out; some people can't see emotional intimacy between two men without it being sexual. Why couldn't Kirk and Spock just be taken at face value? Actually, that highlights another problem — people twisting everything in a work around to find something that isn't really there.
- It's not just between two men though. If anything, I'd say a lot of people have an even harder time accepting a platonic friendship between a straight man and a straight woman. Non-canon shipping in general is a massive thing in fanfiction; Kirk/Spock happens to be one of the earliest well-known cases, but it's not like it isn't something that happens constantly and across multiple orientations.

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#331: Aug 9th 2022 at 5:56:31 AM

If it's about fan reaction, then probably.

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#332: Aug 12th 2022 at 10:31:55 AM

I somehow stumbled across Headscratchers.Oswald, and most of the examples on there look like complaining about a cartoon for preschoolers not being 100% realistic.

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#333: Aug 12th 2022 at 11:12:59 AM

Huh. It looks like a fridge logic page for a show about animate objects and talking animals.

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#334: Aug 29th 2022 at 9:00:49 AM

Even after I added Spoilers Off and First-Person Writing warnings at the top of the page, people keep adding those two things to Headscratchers.The Cuphead Show.

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#335: Aug 30th 2022 at 11:29:14 AM

Headscratchers.RWBY has three pages, which is going to take time to clean.

Starting with Headscratchers.RWBY Part 1, these are the first few questions:

Ruby and Yang Names?

Why, if they are siblings, do Ruby and Yang have different surnames? (Rose & Long, respectively)
- It's possible that one of them changed their last name, or they may even be step-sisters (they are lacking much family resemblance, though that doesn't prove anything definitive)
- The current prevailing theory seems to be that Ruby is adopted. The jury is still out on Yang though.
- Word of God has stated that they're not related by blood.
- Word of God refutes that statement: they are blood-related.
- Word of God has also Jossed the theory that one of them is adopted.
- They could be half-sisters as well. Heck, maybe this world doesn't really have family names. Have we seen anyone with the same surname yet? ( they are half-sisters.)
- Heck, I know someone who has a different surname than his sister even though they have the same mother and father. He was born before their parents were married so he has their mother's maiden name, while his sister was born after their parents were married and has their father's surname.
- In the Yellow trailer, Yang says that she has "several names", so maybe Xiao Long isn't even her real last name.
- Or is it possible Yang and Ruby's parents were separated somehow? Ruby stayed with (Summer Rose?) her mother and Yang with their father with the Xiao Long name?
- And Monty has finally revealed the definite answer on the subject: they are half-sisters with a common father. So that's one mystery cleared up.
- Well, sort of. It's still a bit weird that Yang got their father's surname, while Ruby got her mother's.
- Not really. It's obvious that Raven did not stick around after Yang's birth, and she apparently didn't want to have anything to do with Yang, so Taiyang probably just gave Yang his last name since Raven had no interest in her daughter. His dialogue about Raven in Volume 4 indicates that there was some bad blood between them by the end. They may have even agreed that she was more Taiyang's child than Raven's and that she should get his name since he was the one raising her.
- But, unless Remnant has very different naming conventions than the real-world cultures it most resembles, the weird part isn't Yang getting Taiyang's name, it's Ruby only getting Summer's.
- Parents in the real world can designate at birth what they want their child's last name to be, and Remnant's not really any different. Taiyang and Summer decided that they'd prefer Ruby to have her mother's last name, so that's how they signed the papers. Taiyang and Raven, or just Taiyang, decided that Yang would have his last name, and that's how they signed those papers. It's unlikely that Taiyang was planning on having more children when Yang was born, and a couple of years separate Ruby and Yang, so Taiyang and Summer probably discussed it and decided to be different with Ruby than with Yang, since they almost certainly had a much more stable relationship.
- Yes, parents can choose any name they wish, but it would be very unusual to not include the name of a known father who wants to be, and is allowed to be, involved with the child. The question is not why she got Summer's name. The question is why she didn't get Taiyang's as well.
- Why would she get two last names? We haven't really seen compound names much in Remnant, and the only character known to have one is Taiyang himself, which might preclude Ruby from getting a compound name. Ruby Rose sounds better than Ruby Rose-Xiao-Long. Middle names don't seem to be a thing either. And since we know that Jacques Schnee took the name of his wife instead of the other way around, naming conventions seem to be a little more fluid on Remnant, possibly to keep up with the tradition of naming children after colors.
- Perhaps Ruby uses her mother's surname as a way of honoring someone who, according to everyone, was a great person. While Yang uses her dad's as a way of claiming her heritage and family, since she's not Summer's daughter.

Short OP

Why do they use a shortened version of the already shortened version of the Opening song? They showed what looked like a full opening (sequence not the actual song) at the end of episode 1. But from then they use a shortened version of that sequence.
- Because the first episode is opening for the entire season while the other episodes are opening for just that episode. It's the same reason why they stick it at the end of the episode rather than the start.

Yellow Trailer

Does the Yellow trailer take place before the show or after some point in the show? (It is thought by some fans) she was looking for Blake when talking to Junior, but didn't react oddly to seeing her in episode 3, which suggests the second option. However, she also didn't seem to recognise Roman, who was talking to Junior when she arrived, which would suggest the former. (but she was looking for her mother. If you look on Monty Oums Deviant Art account you'll see art with the words Transient Princess on it. This is Yang's mother Raven from Team STRQ.)
- Monty has confirmed that the person Yang was looking for wasn't Blake, so there's that. As for the other thing, the trailer probably takes place during an off screen moment during the show. Either that or, if it was before the show, she just wasn't paying Roman any attention since she was more focused on Junior. (It was Yang's Mother Raven in the picture).
- Monty has also confirmed that the trailers are prologues, or at the very least, that's what he calls them.
- They may, however, be partially or wholly non canon, as the red trailer was called "A weapon resumé" and the others seem quite scattered.
- It's been implied that the Black trailer is canon, a similar event is mentioned by Weiss to have infuriated her father in the past and it is implied to be when Blake left the White Fang.
- In "Welcome to Beacon" Weiss actually refers to blowing up a night club so it's most likely canon and she was looking for Blake in between "The Stray" and "Black and White".
- "Painting the Town" confirms that the Yellow trailer is canon (at least mostly — certain elements don't fit with the show's sequence of events), but I had always wondered why and when she'd be looking for Blake. Thanks for clearing that up.
- "Burning the Candle" reveals that Yang is a mild obsession with finding her birth mother, so it is very likely that that is who was in the picture Yang was looking for. From that, Weiss's comment, and the fact that Yang references having been there before (and the Mooks reaction to her), we can assume the Yellow Trailer is definitely canon. The fact that Junior references renting some of his Mooks to Roman Torchwick, which we saw in the first episode, suggests that it did take place prior to the series.
- Before. In the show, Junior tells Yang that he hasn't seen Torchwick for months - not since the "last time" she walked into the club, when he was making a deal to hire his mooks. In the yellow trailer... Torchwick is talking to Junior when Yang walks in. It's only been a few months of school so far. More importantly, at the very beginning of the series, Torchwick already has junior's mooks working for him - the guys with bowler hats and red sunglasses.

Thank you! I'm Sorry!

Why did Pyrrha shout "I'm sorry!" after she saved Jaune? Especially considering he yelled "Thank you!". Why did she have to be sorry about? She should've said something like "No problem!" or something.
- She might have been trying to provide a platform for him to land on rather than pinning him to the tree, hence the "I'm sorry!"
- A platform? It's a spear. If she had aimed lower, he would've landed on his balls. That would've been funny, but still.
- Or she had to resort to throwing her spear because she didn't land close enough to save him in a more dignified way
- It's possible the 'spear people to surfaces' thing is going to be a Running Gag, and Pyrrha apologizing every time she does it would be part of the joke, whether it makes sense to apologize or not.
- The "thank you" may even be part of the running gag. The first time, when Pyrrha pins Jaune to a locker, you can see Weiss mouth something that might have been "thank you".
- The simple answer is that she's just overly polite. Those types of people do exist.
- So Pyrrha's a Canadian?
- Given that Vol 2's intro shows her aura generating maple leaves...I think that yes, she is.
- Running Gag? Catchphrase, more likely.
- She threw a spear at him that impaled him to the tree, like a butterfly. Yes, it did saved his life, but it was still painful and humiliating. And Pyrrha is just a nice enough person to care.
- Plus, he's dangling there until she can find him, his clothes have a hole in them, and that was a dangerous thing to do.
- Maybe because that was the second time she speared him to a surface like that? Maybe as a Call-Back to the previous episode?
- Possibly because she likes him and is nervous and does illogical things when it comes to him and thus said "I'm sorry".
- Is this a serious question? Because she just pinned him to a tree, that's why.
- And because this is the second time we've seen it. The first incident occurred in Vol. 1, Episode 4, when Weiss requested help from Pyrrha to get her, or more specifically, Jaune, out of that current situation.

A lot of this is just rampant speculation and I'm not even sure the "I'm sorry" one is a legitimate question. However, they can all be condensed as follows. Is it okay for me to go ahead and do so?

Ruby and Yang's Surnames

Why, if they are siblings, do Ruby and Yang have different surnames? (Rose & Xiao Long, respectively.)
- They are half-sisters. They share the same father (Taiyang Xiao Long) and have different mothers. Ruby's mother is Summer Rose and Yang's mother is Raven Branwen, who abandoned Yang just after giving birth. The girls were raised by Taiyang and Summer until Summer's death, with help from their Uncle Qrow (Raven's twin brother). Yang uses their father's surname while Ruby uses her deceased mother's surname.

Volume 1's Opening Credits

Why do they use a shortened version of the already shortened version of the Opening song? They showed what looked like a full opening (sequence not the actual song) at the end of episode 1. But from then they use a shortened version of that sequence.
- Because the first episode is opening for the entire season while the other episodes are opening for just that episode. It's the same reason why they stick it at the end of the episode rather than the start.

Yellow Trailer

Does the Yellow trailer take place before the show or after some point in the show? Who is she looking for?
- It takes place before the show's pilot episode. She's searching for information on the whereabouts of her biological mother, who abandoned her when she was born. However, the actual image she shows to Junior is a just placeholder image from Monty Oum's Deviant Art piece "Transient Princess".

Pyrrha's Use of "I'm Sorry!"

Why did Pyrrha shout "I'm sorry!" after she saved Jaune? Especially considering he yelled "Thank you!". What did she have to be sorry about?
- "I'm sorry" is Pyrrha's Catchphrase, which she uses a number of times throughout the show in both comedic and dramatic moments. It's a treated as a personality trait.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 30th 2022 at 11:55:04 AM

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#336: Sep 9th 2022 at 6:25:39 PM

Late response, but... maybe you should ask fans of RWBY or something since my unfamiliarity with the work means I can't say one way or another if the questions and answers make sense.

Anyway, found DarthWiki.Headscratchers, which is a bizarre page I assume is a holdover from IJBM. However, it's also in Darth, so is there anything to even do??

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#337: Sep 9th 2022 at 6:43:22 PM

I brought it up in ATT not long ago and MacronNotes said it was meant to parody Headscratchers pages.

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WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)

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#338: Sep 9th 2022 at 6:45:05 PM

I feel like a lot of the stuff are definitely parodies but then you get ones like the example I had to get a wick from where a bunch of people randomly dogpiled on someone's question to claim it was Word Salad when the English was entirely comprehensible, and I wonder if after a while people did start to use it as a legit page or take it too seriously.

Edit: Lmao I replied to that ATT query defending the page oml well tbf I was responding to the idea of "doing a natter cleanup" and never really looked into the content. I'm willing to accept it as parody but a lot of it does seem kinda meanspirited.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 9th 2022 at 9:47:20 AM

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#339: Sep 9th 2022 at 6:49:19 PM

In all fairness, I mainly made that query because I literally had no idea what the page even was.

Anyway I don't really know what to do with that page—a moderator already said the page itself was OK in the ATT query so I'm not sure what to clean up or how to clean it up.

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#340: Sep 9th 2022 at 6:52:24 PM

I guess we can just leave it be, it's just a weird whiny relic but it's tucked into the corner of the site and nobody really cares

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#341: Sep 9th 2022 at 7:04:24 PM

I'm alright with leaving it for now.

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ChillyBeanBAM KIRBY CAR from Ontario, Canada Since: Jan, 2020

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#342: Sep 18th 2022 at 9:55:16 AM

Came across Headscratchers.Akinator, and it seems there are only tropers being confused over how to play the game:

How do I answer if the answer of the question changes in the middle of the series, or even several times? Do I answer with the latest plot in mind as far as I'm aware? What if something was true for the 99.99% of the series, but it changes at the short epilogue ending?
- Answer: Use the latest plot. Using an earlier plot makes your answer retroactively false, which may or may not confuse the heck out of him. Of course, if you're trying to confuse him, then go right ahead.
  - The above is false. It's a bad policy as Akinator goes with whatever information he was given in the past, so if an answer changes then he will confused once people start answering differently, and it's only then that he would learn about the change. However, if everyone instead adopted the policy to go with what was originally true, Akinator would not be confused as what was originally true will never change. With that being said, people tend to answer with what is currently true, and Akinator learns quickly.
For movies and TV shows, what would I say for an International Coproduction if he asks something like "Is this an American production?"
- An International Coproduction is not an American production.

Is this kosher?

Edited by ChillyBeanBAM on Sep 18th 2022 at 12:55:26 PM

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#343: Sep 18th 2022 at 10:41:19 AM

Cut, yeah Akinator has no narrative so people are just asking about how the game is played.

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#344: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:07:23 PM

Yeah, those are questions for a subreddit, not TV Tropes.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

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#345: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:34:50 PM

Threw it into the cutlist.

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#346: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:20:11 PM

TIL Akinator has a trope page.

Anyway it's on the cut list so I guess we'll move on to whatever the next problem is.

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013

#347: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:11:58 PM

I was looking at the head scratchers page for Revenge of the Sith and found this question:

Why didn't Anakin commit suicide at the end?

He's lost everything, will be wracked with never-ending pain for the rest of his life, and has also lost Padme (thanks to his own actions), which probably hurts him even more than his physical injuries. On top of all that, he found out Palpatine can't really bring people Back from the Dead. What reason does he have to go on?

Is this an appropriate question?

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013

#348: Oct 9th 2022 at 7:02:32 AM

Bump

UFOYeah Since: Mar, 2022

#349: Oct 9th 2022 at 7:04:25 AM

Geez, that's dark. I'm not sure about the specifics, but saying "Why doesn't this person just kill themselves?" is at best unreasonably cruel (even if it's about a fictional character). And it's not like it was added back when those sorts of headscratchers were common, it was only added two days ago.

Edited by UFOYeah on Oct 9th 2022 at 7:20:21 AM

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013

#350: Oct 9th 2022 at 7:40:27 AM

So is there a rule against pointlessly cruel headscratchers? I know there's a rule against behind the scenes and meta questions.

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