Trope Idea Sounding Board

I would say things should be fine even if you start off with one example and have a clear concept. I launched most of the tropes I created over the years with no examples or just one. Not ideal but things worked out.

I found this from Cult. Does this count?

• Ai Kora has a truly bizarre example, the Church of Bluish-Purple, run by a loony with a fetish for bloomers (as in buruma, super-short girl's gym shorts).

If it does, then that and the Ren & Stimpy makes two and when Immi comes backs writes her example, then there be three examples to start with. I think three is what is reccommended for new drafts in TLP.

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Yeah, three is what I need. I also think I have a Veronica Mars example if the one you mentioned doesn't work.

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I don't have a current draft about platonic Valentines.

For every low there is a high.

I misread. Well I think platonic valentines is a valid trope idea either way.

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Re: Page 2; Honor Before Reason is good, I was thinking more of the line of The Heart who deeply emphasizes with people and is trusting to a fault. This could be a case of The Same But More Specific but I don't know.

I have two ideas about potential tropes:

• Gender-Nonconforming Tribulations: Similar to Trans Tribulations, but it's about when gender nonconformity (i.e. being a Tomboy or a male In Touch with His Feminine Side) brings up internal and external drama. Chihiro Fujisaki from Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc is the only example I've found that doesn't fall under subtropes like Stay in the Kitchen or Tomboy Angst.
• Trans Equals Gender-Nonconforming: Pichu-kun's draft for Villainous Trans Woman said: "many works confuse crossdressers with trans women". I made this idea to cover that stereotype.

The first is exactly about gender dysphoria, right? And we do have Tomboy Angst.

The second... I wonder if we can make a more general page instead, that covers both it and Trans Equals Gay.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:47:30 AM

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No, gender nonconformity is not the same thing as gender dysphoria. The character in question dresses like a girl but identifies as a cisgender boy, especially in School Mode.

While we do have Tomboy Angst, we don't have a trope for feminine boys and men who struggle with their gender nonconformity.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jun 2nd 2020 at 11:50:08 PM

Here's something I notice in several Shōnen Tournament Arc, but I'm not sure if it's an overly specific form of an existing trope. Basically The Hero and their friend / rival enters a tournament and promises to have an epic showdown during the match (usually during the finals). However, the friend/rival gets defeated just before they get to meet, often by a previously unknown dark-horse.

This gives the hero a motivation to "avenge" their friend/rival, while at the same time forcing them to improve—as the defeated friend/rival is often treated as their equal beforehand.

Examples:

• In Yakitate!! Japan, Azuma and Kawachi enters the Pantasia Rookie Tournament and vows to get to the finals together, partly because they want to have a proper match, and partly because they want to prove to the higher-ups that Tsukino, who runs their store branch, is a worthy heir to the bakery. However, during the Semi-Finals, Kawachi was defeated by Kanmuri, who works for Tsukino's Big Sister Bully, Yukino. This is where Azuma starts to get serious, and curb-stomped his semi-final opponent, Kuwabara, in order to face Kanmuri.
• In Angelic Layer, Misaki wants to face Hatoko—her friend and mentor—when she enters the Kanto region match for the first time. Misaki manages to reach the Finals, but Hatoko was defeated by Sai. This not only pushes Misaki to win for Hatoko's sake, but also forces her to rethink her fighting strategy, as Sai's angel has a different build from Hatoko's.

I think there's also this one match in Yu-Gi-Oh! where Yugi has to face Dark Malik after the latter beats Jounouchi, but I can't remember the context too well.

Edited by Adept on Jun 4th 2020 at 11:31:32 PM

Perhaps we can break it down first:

• "Promised Match", or perhaps "Promised Match Didn't Come True"
• "Avenging My Friend"
• Tournament Arc (already there)

Let's make "Tomgirl Angst" then.

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Found the old draft for Evil Stepsiblings and while I already took it to the Discard Project, I have some concerns and questions about the idea:

• Is it worth having? It mostly occurs in-tandem with the Wicked Stepmother archetype as part of a Cinderella story; does it happen as a distinct concept enough to be a separate trope?
• If it's not, then is Evil Stepfamily a trope of it's own— again, accounting for the fact that a majority of the trope is based around Cinderella and variations of it?
• Is it already covered by other sibling-animosity tropes, even if they're not blood related?

And if it's tropeworthy, should it be restarted with a new draft, or should the current be bumped?

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So I want to recreate the discarded draft, People Stand On Chairs, about people making speeches on top of objects. But haven't find any examples despite all the TV I have been watching the fact that I know its a common trope. So wondering if anyone any here.

Also not sure what name to go with when I take it back to TLP. People stand on chairs sounds too close to People Sit on Chairs so I don't want to use it.

The actual real world term for this is soapboxing but I don't think people outside of North America are familiar with the term. But we do have Soapbox Sadie and thats a related trope so maybe it wont be so bad to go with it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 3rd 2020 at 2:49:25 PM

Macron's notes

Yeah, "Soapboxing" would be a good one.

Maybe Soapbox Speech if it needs to be clearer.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 3:11:59 PM

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You can check Soapbox Sadie. Lots of one-off examples, and a single instance of soapboxing does not usually make someone a Soapbox Sadie.

We seem to be missing a supertrope for "killing lots of people." We've got Roaring Rampage of Revenge and Roaring Rampage of Rescue, but no "villain murders a whole bunch of innocent people to prove their threat" or even "hero fights through the base leaving chaos in their wake" (though there's some overlap with Mook Horror Show). Plus, people keep misusing Kill Em All as "lots of people die" rather than being a narrative trope about main characters dying.

Would a Massive Massacre supertrope be appropriate?

Yeah I think a supertrope like that might be needed. Surprised we dont have it.

Macron's notes

Roaring Rampage of X don't necessary involve mass killing.

And we have A Million Is a Statistic...

About the Kill Em All misuse, it's asking for a rename.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Jun 5th 2020 at 9:03:30 AM

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TLP is up if anyone is interested in helping.

So most people seem to think Evil Stepfamily is the way to go, but are we sure it won't just be a bunch of Cinderella variants?

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Well you won't know until it's run through TLP (again?). I mean undoubtedly there will be a lot of Cinderella and fairytale allusions but there should be some that aren't.

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Is it worth making a The Artist/ The Artistic One / The Creative One for characters defined creativity and artistic pursuits or is that too broad?

Macron's notes

"An artist" as a Stock Character?

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Would this be any character defined by their artisticness, or would it be "the artistic one" in an ensemble?

Yeah something like that. In a lot of ensembles, they have this one character that's defined by their creativity and love of writing drawing and fine arts.

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Before I post this in TLP, I had this idea for a trope Justifed In Universe Musical Performance. I was ready to post it until I saw the entry for Music Stories.

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The Musical is known for characters suddenly breaking out into song, which audiences will suspend their suspension of disbelief as characters sing their hearts out in exposition. There are some musicals that will occasionally keep things more grounded and have some or all the songs, take place within the context of the story, with a justified explanation. Such explanations usually are that they're performances for other people, in front of a crowd, etc. These works are usually both musicals and Music Stories as they're about music training and performance, and the songs used still convey the character's feelings and motivations as well as exposition.

See also In-Universe Soundtrack.

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Film

• Camp (2003)'s musical performances all take place In-Universe, which makes sense as it takes place at a performance arts summer camp.
• Nickelodeon's telefilm Spectacular! made it a point to have all the songs be as part of the story being performed with a justified reason; the songs are performed as rehearsal scenes, performances on stage, etc. The big love ballad between the two main characters actually takes place at an arcade where they and the other characters are playing a Rock Band-type game and the two take up vocals for a known song.
• A Star Is Born (2018) has a original soundtrack, and all the songs are performances in front of live crowds or for television.