Audience-Alienating Premise is "interesting" because it can be used to either complain about shows you don't like ("Work X is a failure because it's about X, which is stupid) or gush about shows you like ("Work Y is a great work, but unfortunately many people were scared away because it's about Y, leading people to miss out on its greatness"). This, naturally, leads to lots of shoehorning.
As far as I know, the major criteria for AAP are:
- The work is a commercial failure, which requires the work to have been released for a sufficient amount of time and be for-profit.
- The failure is because the work's premise scared the audience off or made them lose interest.
But "the premise scared people off" is highly subjective, and "is a commercial failure" is a relatively recent addition (if it even is an official criterion - it's not currently in the trope description, although it's been used as an edit reason for some example removals), leading to many non-examples being Grandfather Claused in. So I think it could use a cleanup.
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I mean, we have shit like Mein Kampf as a tropeable work, and there's no narrative to that book either besides propaganda. If we're gonna take down Kaczynski's book, we should apply that policy to other books.
... Wow. I dont know WHY NO ONE removed Mein Kampf then. I thought people would WANT to get rid of it ASAP, but I was wrong. I am going to immediately present it to the thread.
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That's an argument for cutting Mein Kampf as well, which I'm fully in favour of.
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We should cut entries for books written by the Unabomber and a certain Austrian maniac who was not accepted to an art school.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Apr 22nd 2024 at 12:34:41 PM
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A reminder:
This is the Audience-Alienating Premise thread. It's not here to discuss cutting works or making policy changes.
We have other threads in place to handle works that may not be tropeable, troping non-fiction and handling bigoted works.
So, at the very least just cut AAP on the Unabomber's Manifesto?
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Support. It's really hard to say what counts as an "audience" for a terrorist's manifesto, for one thing.
From YMMV.Good Times:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: The sequel for a lot of people. Not only did it already feel like a cash grab, many people questioned the characters because they were stereotypical tropes that didn't help the black community, and many see through it's attempts to be nothing more than a blatant cash grab. Some have even gone as far as to say no matter how much they reference James and the previous Evans, it doesn't feel like they're truly related at all.
I know there's something here — The show has negative reception and has been criticized by fans of the og show because they feel there's no real connection with the original.
But the entry feels poorly written. The grammar has problems and the arguments feel kinda bashy with how it calls it a cash grab twice (all while not elaborating on what makes it a cash grab).
Should a rewrite focus only on the lack of connection with the original, or is there a way to elaborate better on the other points?
That thing is just such a horrible example. The premise is what is supposed to be awful and yet its just a bunch of "SHOW BAD!" whining.
Stark Holmes
The premise of updating 70s show for modern audiences doesn’t sound bad (given many of those sitcoms back then were topical and still are). The problem it seems is that it veered into using the Good Times show as a name to get views and otherwise falls back on Animated Shock Comedy. It seems like needless complaining, but it could be salvaged if it was more neutral.
Plus, the show came out only a week ago. Aren’t shows given some time before AAP is applied?
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Tobias/TJ (He/Him)
I don't know if Audience-Alienating Premise is classified as No Recent Examples, Please!. It's not on the page, and the description for AAP just says not to add any unreleased works.
The NREP page doesn't include any "no unreleased works" tropes or YMMVs because that would make the page too long. AAP still requires proof of failure so an explicit NREP limit could be added if necessary.
Tobias/TJ (He/Him)
I'd be okay with adding a time limit to Audience-Alienating Premise to ensure that the work really did do poorly, given that's part of the definition of AAP — if the work's premise was initially disliked, but the work still did well, it goes under And You Thought It Would Fail.
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One month would put it in line with other "reception" tropes.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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THIS. I dont think his manifiesto has a narrative to it.
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