Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

But both of those failures encompass a wide variety of skills—especially when the former leads to complete overall logical failure (the True Knight nonsense is an insanely bad world view), yet even he's able to sus out the suspicious Duscar things (compare this to also-bad-parent Gilbert, who is so closed minded that he sounds like he wants to punch Rodrigue for daring to have suspicions). He's also supposed to be this legendary Shield of Faerghus, but gets one-rounded like a chump on Felix's Paralogue.

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Apr 22nd 2024 at 3:38:00 AM

Citation needed. In Three Houses she's your ally in 3/4 routes, and given a sympathetic portrayal in both Verdant Wind and Silver Snow. In Three Hopes she's an ally on Azure Moon, and the routes where she's an enemy portray her a lot more as a Hero Antagonist than Crimson Flower did.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Apr 24th 2024 at 6:51:50 PM

I mean the dying as a true knight is very much presented as Rodrigue trying to cope with his sons death, especially as he’s be firmly against Dimitri’s take on it(died pointlessly when he managed to ensure Dimitri survived).

Finding meaning in death is one of the ways people handle it, and the other actual toxic worldview is that people died for no reason so you need to avenge them, which Dimitri and potentially Felix based on route, fall into.

Edit: Also the fact his BFF died and he doesn’t come up with a coping mechanism for that is why he’s also more open into learning what happened as well.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 22nd 2024 at 4:56:13 AM

Just because it's a coping mechanism, doesn't make it good. Besides that, there's also maybe don't have a toxic world view. There's a lot of middle ground between glorifying the death as the ultimate end goal of a "true" knight, and calling it a meaningless death. To be clear: either extreme would be very bad, with serious repercussions to everyone around him. It's doubly bad for someone in a notable leadership position to take such a stance, since now other people are going to buy into that garbage, perpetuate it, and cause even more suffering.

Except, and this is important, he himself doesn’t talk about how he feels about his sons death to other people, and indeed he knows he was mistaken to say what he did aloud in front of Felix, but the man IS handling it perfectly fine and does NOT scream at the top of the world that his son died like a true knight and that others should do the same. Which is why it is NOT toxic.

Not to mention he handles his son’s criticisms just fine and only takes issue when he’s acting that way towards other people. That’s why it’s unsurprising when given the opportunity he wants to make clear and apologize, but their contrasting personalities lead them to always stall on having that conversation since neither will start it themselves.

His son chose of his own choice to save a kid younger than him and risked his risk to do so, no matter how that ended, that WAS heroic and noble of Glenn, just as much as it was a tragedy and should never have happened to him. While Dimitri values his life so little he doesn’t believe anyone should give their life to save him, and he saw the result of such a selfless act.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:26:39 AM

He doesn't run around screaming about it, no. I'm not saying he's some kind of psychotic evangelist or anything like that. But he's willing to go on about it in front of Byleth—who is practically a complete stranger.

Counterpoint: Byleth is Buddha Jesus and has this affect on people.

For whatever reason people like to open up around Byleth. Comes with being the main character of a videogame.

So it's all mind control then? Remember how some characters explicitly speculate that Byleth's crest is affecting them. Kaga wins again.

I’d say more of a…suggestive influence. Like being in front of God makes you want to lay it all bare.

Of course we have seen Byleth use it to do bad things in Three Hopes.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 22nd 2024 at 9:24:31 AM

Main characters have to act as ears for the player as well, so being able to get people to open up is a must-have skill for them.

@Bolded: Ok, but Rodrigue doesn't believe that death is the ultimate endgoal for a knight, none of the characters do. The fact is that Glenn selflessly risked his life for his friend and liege when he was in trouble; that's one of the cornerstones of chivalry and a commendable thing to do, which is why Rodrigue specifically said he died like a "true knight". It's not that Felix literally thinks that chivalry is some kind of suicide cult and thinks self-sacrifice is bad, it's just he doesn't find it much of a comfort when his brother is gone.

Also it's hard to take accusations of chivalry and self-sacrifice as toxic Faerghan ideologies seriously when characters from all over Fodlan do the same thing and it's seen as commendable. Like, I don't see how Hilda dying to protect Claude would be any different from Glenn dying to protect Dimitri, for example.

Agreed. My read of Rodrigue's lament for Glenn is that Glenn never shirked his duty to defend the king, and ultimately gave his own life so that others might live. It's a far cry from the Spartan idea of "Come back with your shield or on it", or the Viking idea that only those who die in battle can get into Valhalla.

Felix was reasonable to call this out as an incredibly fucked up thing to say, mind. He'd just lost his brother, and the first thing his dad did was insinuate that this was desirable. Fortunately, Hopes let's them talk it out and come to terms.

I never said death itself was the endgoal. But saying that dying "like a true knight" very much implies that the pinnacle of knighthood is to die in someone else's place. Which is pretty messed up. And if he's going to cling to the true knight thing, then there's nothing more to say on it.

And no, Hilda dying for Claude isn't really held up as good. Claude himself calls it out as something he didn't plan around because he assumed she would retreat. He treats it explicitly as a bad thing.

Also, it doesn't matter if Byleth has protagonist privileges. In universe, loose lips are still loose lips.

Rodrigue pretty much deals with his grief over Glenn's death by telling himself that Glenn gave his life to save another, and that's also a big reason why he wants Dimitri to snap out of his self-destructive spiral. Dimitri getting himself killed in a pig-headed rampage would pretty much spit on Glenn's sacrifice.

Obviously Rodrigue would like for his son to still be alive, but since Glenn is dead, he tries to find comfort that Glenn died heroically. And in Azure Mon, Glenn's sacrifice does ensure that Faerghus (and Fodlan in general) has a bright future ahead of it.

Edelgard will always want to kiss Byleth no matter how much they bond and Claude will always want to trust Byleth.

Dimitri, funnily enough, is the one that gets hit least by the Byleth-simp beam.

Edited by MadSkillz on Apr 24th 2024 at 6:13:21 AM

Dimitri actually almost does start sharing his backstory and goals with Byleth on a few occasions, before hastily dismissing it as something not important. Until Byleth witnessing his "boar" side personally forces him to tell the whole thing.

Of course, his whole route is about him rejecting the divine guidance (literally — he pushes Byleth aside when they try to stop him from attacking the Flame Emperor in the Holy Tomb) and suffering for that until he comes to his senses enough to finally accept it. And Silver Snow, depending on how you interpret Byleth's encounter with him, implies that on other routes he dies with regret, both because he failed to avenge his family and because Byleth wasn't around to stop him from stupidly getting everyone including himself killed.

Edited by YnK on Apr 24th 2024 at 11:40:11 AM

GRRM fell into this fantasy trap of making a continent be a single country.

The devs said in a different interview that Fodlan is supposed 2/3 the size of Europe.

Edited by MadSkillz on Apr 25th 2024 at 8:06:37 AM

Not exactly. Westeros by the time of the series is only one country because a family of dragonriders forced the kingdoms that already existed on the continent to bend the knee. It was originally a continent ruled by seven different kingdoms.

Edited by M84 on Apr 25th 2024 at 11:13:59 PM

And there is the far North where the Others/Whitewalkers rule that is not the part of the southern half’s dominion.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 25th 2024 at 10:29:16 AM

It's also made very clear throughout the books that the cultural differences never really went away even after the Targaryens forced the Seven Kingdoms to bow to them. The North and the Iron Islands in particular never gave up their original gods.

I love how this thread keeps going back to GRRM even tho there's nothing from the devs that implied they took anything from his work.

Even Edelgard having the red outfit, white hair is something Fire Emblem did before with Walhart.

X2 The South is also extremely progressive as well even after being made part of the the Seven Kingdoms too.

Accepting bastards, sexually progressives, inheritance being passed on regardless of gender, accepting of multiple lovers, etc. the only way they ever managed to get them to be part of the seven kingdoms was one Targ marrying a member of the Martells because the Dornish fought tooth and nail and denied attempts to rule them by force every single time.

The timing of its release and the vague similarities were enough for people to make it.

Besides regardless of what people believe you have to basically chop Dany in half and separate her into Edelgard AND Rhea because neither one is her.

Edit: Also unlike the rest of the Targs she doesn’t wear the red or black typically associated with her family.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 26th 2024 at 1:22:34 AM

Behind the scenes shenanigans of this game is confusing

Is the underside of Constance's hair blue?