Depends on what you mean by Spartanism. If you mean Agoge then it would probably be decried as socialism. If you mean Austerity Measures then it would be publically encouraged while privately decried. If you mean militarism it would be initially embraced but eventually hated.
On the flip side, conservative states have been hardcore believers in social darwinism for some time so they might embrace darwinian practices until they realized what it was.
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Spartanism as in militarism.
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Karma in the form of spaceships?
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So, the ones who admired the ancient "perfect" society only to find out such society are actually awful to even them that show how illiterate they are to ideals?
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In light of the most recent video game I've completed I'm starting to really get tired of stories where the Earth is doomed so lets start over on a new planet, especially when the thing that dooms Earth seems less insurmountable than recreating Earth elsewhere, technology wise.
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that can be chalked up to a lack of imagination. It's prolly easier for most people to imagine the end of capitalismnote than it is to imagine a future where people live in space habitats instead of terraformed planets.
Also, easy drama. People want feels, not facts.
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It's also very much an appeal to the current zeitgeist ala Elon Musk. Who definitely thinks escaping to mars is much easier than fixing humanity.
I think it's an element that *can* be done in an interesting way, but too often i just see vast quantities of incredibly advanced technology that make me think fixing earth is gonna be much easier. Like the entire plot of Ixion.
Done right it can be a major setup for drama, personally I think if ecological terraforming tech is kept out it's quite interesting as it makes it an exodus looking for something close they can settle. Make it desperate and despairing.
Heck all of my settings that do have ecological terraforming tech use it to just up and fix Earth and make it into a green paradise. If you have the power to terraform an entire planet you can probably fix the problems here.
Edited by EchoingSilence on May 22nd 2023 at 9:41:35 AM
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Considering Yoshiyuki Tomino's political education was Marxist in nature due to his proximity to the Student movements of the 50's & 60's, and his most famous work features orbital habitats, I'm gonna say you have some proof in that regard.
Random thought I just had: aversion of the standard sci-fi trope of a big multispecies alliance by way of the big movers and shakers having agreed in the past (and strongarmed everyone else into) to sign a treaty that prohibits the formation of such for the purpose of preventing anyone from ganging up against anyone else.
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The problem with that idea is that the first person to break that agreement will have an advantage to strongarm everyone else. No actual power has any reason to oblige such a treaty. It gives weak powers essentially no defense against stronger powers and stronger powers can simply produce a gap with the rest that way to overcome disagreement. And besides, the other powers would likely have to band together to force the treatybreaker to backdown, ironically creating a kind of federation to oppose federations.
I think the standard federation trope also has more issues with execution rather than idea. Frequently it's just a bland, largely nonspecific federation of nonspecific aliens. Everyone just instantly agreed to work together and there are no real internal politics, no matter how much real life shows that even blocks of people who broadly agree will still disagree on details.
Weaker powers have all the incentive to band together to oppose greater powers, or align themselves with major powers to oppose other major powers. Different species will have different needs and there will absolutely be internal politics over it, there will be trade disputes, territory disputes, political disputes, etc.
Edited by devak on Nov 24th 2023 at 8:58:00 PM
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that could be pinned on Star Trek's decision to not delve into their own federation early enough. Granted that is an understanding decision (utopia is by definition, impossible to portray and Roddenbary clearly had a utopic vision in mind for Trek. Show Dont Tell only goes as far when its impossible to show it to satasfactory results)
So, not sure if it fits here, but how do you think society in conservative states like Texas and Alabama occupied by Aliens who adhere to an esoteric form of Darwinism and Spartanism would fare to the people involved? Especially when there's a division between collaborators and non-collaborators.
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