Overshadowed By Controversy Cleanup

I feel "wave of propaganda" in quotes would be easier to swallow, as it's implying it's the troper quoting what she said and that it (hopefully) isn't their opinion.

Anyway, a quick Google search shows a lot of stuff about the controversy on the first page, but as it just happened last month, the example should be removed on principle, meaning the page should be cut.

Gotta admit though, that discount on the game is a major spite move. Those devs have balls.

While I love the game, I've started to wonder if RuneScape might be at least approaching OBC. The game's microtransaction system has never exactly been what you'd call well-liked, but the backlash reached an absolute furor last month upon the revelation that the game is under investigation by the UK Parliament for said MTX system facilitating underage gambling.

I wouldn't say MTX overshadows RuneScape as a whole. It's far from the worst game for that anyway.

If the controversy only started last month, that's too soon to list it. Again, we have a six month waiting period to make sure these controversies last.

The MTX stuff has been going on far longer than six months, this incident just added fuel to the fire.

From OvershadowedByControversy.Video Games:

• Activision Blizzard is now known among gamers for the several controversies that snowballed into an all out PR disaster that started during the 2nd half of the 2010s. It started with the use of microtransactions in their games like their flagship title World of Warcraft and their latest game Overwatch. Then there was the announcement of the Diablo mobile game which gained massive backlash against Blizzard and spawned the infamous "Do you guys not have phones?" meme. Next there was the 'Ellie' scandal in the Overwatch E-Sports scene as well as allegations of racial abuse that an employee wrote about from colleagues. Not helping matters was that Soldier: 76 was confirmed gay in the same day, which many accused Blizzard of doing to cover up their scandals.

I find this entire entry highly suspect. OBC is specifically about works, not companies, and while these controversies certainly happened, you'd be hard-pressed to show that any of the works cited have actually been overshadowed by them in any meaningful way.

Obvious cut is obvious. Doesn't overshadow any of their works.

Could go under Fallen Creator with a rewrite.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Oct 10th 2019 at 6:27:34 AM

Yeah. I think it's better suited for Fallen Creator.

With that being said, I would also like an opinion on this entry that I added a long while ago and whether or not it qualifies.

• In many visual novel circles, it is difficult to bring up Grisaia no Kajitsu without mentioning its then-localization company Sekai Project and the many controversies that spawned from it. Mainly in regards to their questionable translations, business practices (especially with Kickstarter), and the antics of their CEO Dovac, who infamously went on uncivil Twitter rants against fan patchers attempting to bypass their distribution policies. Grisaia was in the center of the controversy thanks to in large part of unfulfilled Kickstarter promises and the fan patch debacle that unfolded in late 2016, which the visual novel itself once hosted.^note For the full story, a fan patcher distributed patches to the Steam version of Grisaia as well as Karakara to unlock all of their removed adult content. Sekai Project eventually took notice of this, and Dovac, instead of suing legal action against the patcher, decided to engage him in an unprofessional Twitter war that spread across the visual novel community. The patcher eventually took the patches down out of sheer pressure, and in response, Sekai Project began distributing their own 18+ patches for their Steam releases. The incident also put the spotlight on Sekai Project's other controversial mishaps.

I was a member of Fuwanovel when this happened so the incident is well-documented over there, and I even played the fan patch that became the point of contention in that debacle. If you go on Fuwanovel or any visual novel-related forums now and mention Grisaia, all discussions will be derailed by anything about Sekai Project. However, since High Crate says that companies should never be the subject of being overshadowed by controversy, doesn't that mean this example does not count?

Edited by DivineFlame100 on Oct 10th 2019 at 3:47:10 AM

The example is still primarily about the work being OBC, not the company.

It's not that companies absolutely can't be OBC, but 90% of people trying to add a company would just be doing it to complain.

Alright, good to know. Thanks.

The trope definition for OBC specifically and repeatedly refers to works. Not companies, and not creators.

Tropes are intended to be flexible. Though I'm not sure whether this one should be.

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Edited by bwburke94 on Oct 11th 2019 at 6:21:44 AM

It isn't NRLEP... though the Real Life page needs a ROCEJ cleanup.

Edit: The trope description specifically says that creators can qualify as well.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Oct 11th 2019 at 6:22:38 AM

It... doesn't, though? It talks about various creator actions that might overshadow a work, but it's still the work being overshadowed.

Additionally, since most scandals and controversies tend to not overshadow a work or creator in the long run, only add examples if the controversy in question is still the main point of discussion about a work/creator after at least a few months (six months to be absolutely safe)

Emphasis mine. Tropes Are Flexible.

im fine with OBC applying to companies, too. if a company gets overshadowed, so do their products, at least to an extent.

That note was added in May of this year as part of our project to impose waiting periods on certain Audience Reactions and should hardly be taken to supersede literally the entire rest of the trope description.

Then... the works are examples. It's still the works that are overshadowed (or not).

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 11th 2019 at 4:19:30 AM

When did the third season for Big Mouth drop? This was just added and I think it's way too soon for it:

• Season 3's messages on sexual orientation were overshadowed for Ali's explanation of pansexuality in "Rankings" due to her definition calling bisexuality "so binary" and implying only pansexual people can date trans people. Despite the season's good intentions, with the rest of the episode showcasing the Double Standard in how Ali's pansexuality is fetishized and Jay's bisexuality is dismissed, a lot of LGBT fans were too uncomfortable with the transphobic definitions of bisexuality and pansexuality. Co-creator Andrew Goldberg even apologized in light of the backlash.

While that has been causing controversy, it's still too recent.

Wait, hold up here, now I'm confused. Should I delete the Sekai Project example then if it just talks about the creators?

No, keep it.

Yeah, sorry, we sort of got sidetracked talking about generalities. The specific example looks fine: the example is the work, which is overshadowed by controversy surrounding its localization company.

I'm still not sure why you think examples about a company aren't valid to begin with.