Moral Event Horizon cleanup

I will not pronounce about Lady Tremaine, for I do not know Disney's Cinderella.

About the other affair, there can be multiple facts that sink someone deeper in the MEH.

We can start off by cleaning up misused potholes inking to the trope for starters, because I see more of those than the examples.

From YMMV.Kingdom Hearts Coded:

Pete's general characterization is that of a sympathetic Butt-Monkey, and the baseline heinous standard in Kingdom Hearts is so ludicrously high that this entry is honestly kind of laughable. Permission to cut?

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Cut it. If there's one dude who breaks the Moral Event Horizon in that series it's Master Xenahort and only him.

Hi. Can I participate this discussion? I have some examples for this trope in mind. And here it is:

The first one is from a guy called Yuuto Ijika from Twin Star Exorcists. Yuuto crosses this line when he corrupts the innocent orphanage students into an Eldritch Abomination and ended up putting them in an And I Must Scream situation. This resulted them to wreck havoc in the dormitory and not only that, Yuuto's friend,Rokuro, was forced to kill most of them and this ended up giving a huge trauma to Rokuro and he doesn't want to perform exorcist again and after this incident, He went worse from there.

So with the first example out of the way........Do you think it's a MEH or not in your opinion?

edited 30th Aug '17 9:14:08 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

Is the character portrayed as positively after that and does he redeem himself? If so, the example should be cut.

Problem is that he used to be a sweet kid in the past and shows a care towards his sister and also a good friend to the main protagonist but in his real first appearance after the tragedy, it was revealed to be nothing but a facade and he doesn't redeem himself

edited 16th Sep '17 2:11:01 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

Then he counts. That just sounds like a Femto situation.

Also, I added the Moral Event Horizon for Whale Talk and it looks like this:

• Rich was never a good person to begin with. But he crosses it when he convince his biracial daughter, Heidi, to "scrapping her skin off" with a Brillo pad that resulted her mutilating herself.

I think he counts since the character was never portrayed in a good way and did not redeem himself after that incident. That event really stains Rich's character actually

edited 16th Sep '17 10:14:03 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

The Moral Event Horizon example in The Lost World: Jurassic Park:

• Moral Event Horizon: In one of the rare variants where a good guy crosses this, unintentionally from the writers. Nick Van Owen crosses this by unloading the bullets from Roland's gun. This guy just doomed many people, who helped him out, by the way, to die simply because of his displeasure with hunting. The worst part is that since he's a good guy, this isn't viewed as such in the movie, furthering the Designated Hero aspect.

Opinions?

edited 24th Sep '17 1:22:16 PM by MagBas

That's part of Designated Hero. It doesn't cross Moral Event Horizon if the character is considered forgiven by the work.

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Thanks.

I noted that "The Boys Of Bummer" was added again to The Simpsons. Following the edit reason, this was removed following the thread.

The The Lost World Jurassic Park example was added again.

edited 16th Oct '17 4:09:16 AM by MagBas

Just delete the non examples. I think there should be guidelines regarding the misuse of strong evil tropes.

In the Western animaton subpage, I deleted an example for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends regarding the character Bendy. The antics Bendy did was For the Evulz, rather than irredeemably evil.

edited 18th Oct '17 5:42:12 AM by MsCC93

I'm going to delete vegeta from dragon ball as well as accelerater from a certain magical railgun as both have been redeemed, forgiven in-universe and become a better people since thoose events that are listed so that is a cut.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Can I add some Moral Event Horizon examples for Ace Attorney series? For example like this:

• Kristoph crosses the line when he's using a forged evidence to get Phoenix Wright disbarred and tries to get rid of the forger after the deed is done
• Matt Engarde crosses the line when he ruins a marriage that caused his former manager committed suicide

Or something lie that

edited 20th Oct '17 9:01:28 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

Those look a little weak to me. Remember that the trope is for when there's absolutely no chance of redemption for those characters.

edited 20th Oct '17 9:11:57 AM by AnotherDuck

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Try them actually killing someone which is why thoose two are listed on the cm page.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Try actually writing that in the example.

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I cut the persona 4 killer due to his redemption after his game as well as wanting to atone later in the sequel.

edited 29th Oct '17 7:16:37 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

YMMV.Hey Arnold

• Moral Event Horizon:
  • Iggy crosses the line when he forces Arnold to wear his bunny pajamas in public as a way of forgiveness during the climax of his Day in the Limelight. The episode itself ends on the note that Iggy has gone beyond Arnold's forgiveness.

While he's being a massive jerk, I don't think "forcing someone to wear bunny pijamas in public" is a MEH.

edited 29th Oct '17 11:37:50 AM by Silverblade2

oh my God cut that as I just cut a serial killer and straw Nihilist who tried to turn humanity into demons because he got redeemed. That is nowhere near bad enough for this trope.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Revenge of the Sith:

• Anakin comes VERY close to the horizon by massacring the children of the Jedi Temple.

Heres another one from the Darth Vader comic book. Which is Canon BTW

• Moral Event Horizon: Some fans feel Vader crosses it during Aphra's Disney Death scene — not because he tries to kill her, but because he actively does so in the very way he knows she fears most (Thrown Out the Airlock), all while simply brushing her off when she begs to be lightsabered instead. Though it's worth noting that Aphra was counting on this in order to escape.
  • Morit pushing Aiolin into lava, after she saved him from being killed in their fight with Vader. Both of them were plotting against each other, but Morit showed in this act to be far more cutthroat.
  • Ironically, Vader may have felt Aphra crossed this line when she 1.) blackmailed him after he explicitly warned her otherwise, and 2.) betrayed him to the EMPEROR of all people. By all appearances, he was initially going to honor her request for a quick death the first time around. The second (and last) time, she had expended any good will she'd had left with him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."