Trump and ROCEJ

Well we have another Supergirl episode with a Shout-Out subullet. (Spoilers for the newest episode)

Because of the example's latter claim of it being a Running Gag, I'm gonna comb through the Arrowverse shows, Gotham and Lucifer pages for more Trump references.

edited 20th Mar '17 9:15:12 PM by MorningStar1337

I'm a bit confused by what's the Running Gag: the recurring "Make X Great Again" Shout-Out or the Take That!. I think the example could stay if the natter and pothole are taken out (e.g. "Shout-Out to Donald Trump..."). But if it's just the troper trying to make a Take That! (e.g. this isn't actually a running gag), then I think that pothole could be removed, too.

I couldn't find it on the main page, but I realize now you meant Supergirl (2015) S2E16 "Star-Crossed"

edited 20th Mar '17 9:25:00 PM by WaterBlap

From the one example I did find (Arrow S 5 E 9 What We Leave Behind) I'm assuming its the MAGA snowclones.

Okay I did a few google searches and apart from the examples I found up, I have not seen anything supprting my assumption. Goggle searches hasn't turned up anything. I'll check the Fox shows next.

Google and a Cinemablend articled led me to Gotham S 3 E 3 Look Into My Eyes:

• Take That!: It cannot be a coincidence that the slogan of Penguin's fear-mongering based campaign, "Make Gotham Safe Again", sounds just like Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again".

So we're 3 for 3 (or 4 maybe) I'm checking Lucifer next.

edited 20th Mar '17 9:51:39 PM by MorningStar1337

One Take That! and Ripped from the Headlines example was on Arrow S 4 E 18 Eleven Fifty Nine, and I removed it in February.

If the MAGA is a recurring Shout-Out for Arrowverse, then I think it should be put on the franchise page instead of throughout the various Recap/ pages. And I don't know if the Take That! is necessary at all, really.

Likewise, the stuff for Gotham can probably go on the main page rather than the various Recap/ pages.

edited 20th Mar '17 9:48:55 PM by WaterBlap

Lucifer's doesn't have a Take That! at trump on the recap page, but only because the respective episode didn;t have a recap page. But I did find this on the Funny page

• Also, when ranking tyrants at the end of the episode, Lucifer throws in "Trump? I mean, I know he's not dead yet but he's definitely going."

And with that I'm finished. Should I go ahead and cut the listed examples? I'm removing the natter and potholes form the Supergirl example in the meantime.

edited 20th Mar '17 10:19:29 PM by MorningStar1337

• Series.Lucifer 2016:
  • Take That!: When ranking tyrants in Hell at the end of "Trip to Stabby Town", Lucifer gives us this gem:
  Lucifer: Trump? I mean, I know he's not dead yet but he's definitely going.
• Funny.Lucifer 2016:
  • Also, when ranking tyrants at the end of the episode, Lucifer throws in "Trump? I mean, I know he's not dead yet but he's definitely going."

I would say that the example doesn't need to include Trump. "Lucifer ranks various tyrants in Hell at the end of 'Trip to Stabby Town.'" That would be a Take That! to every person listed.

I don't think the Funny/ example is worth keeping given ROCEJ.

I was just including the link, really. Also, I think most of the other people who do this thread won't see these comments until tomorrow afternoon, so it might be best to wait a day before making a general decision on MAGA-related Trump Shout Outs and Take Thats.

edited 20th Mar '17 10:34:14 PM by WaterBlap

I already listed the funny/ example in my post...

Regardless it has been cut along with the natter on the Supergirl example and the Trump reference in Lucifer's Take That! example. Right now I want to reaffirm what we are doing with the examples regarding the MAGA references/snowclones.

Fair enough I'll list the pages with these examples in the meantime

• Gotham S 3 E 3 Look Into My Eyes
• Arrow S 5 E 9 What We Leave Behind
• Supergirl (2015) S2E16 "Star-Crossed"

edited 20th Mar '17 10:41:57 PM by MorningStar1337

Found this on Night in the Woods, under Acceptable Political Targets:

• If it wasn't for the fact that the game's production began several years ago, it could be seen as a direct satirical commentary of the election, with people in the coal mining industry as the cult members and Trump as the Black Goat, hoping he'd bring back jobs and hating social welfare programs benefiting immigrants.

Nuke?

Didn't I bring up a simialr example on the same page?

Nuke. Shoehorned.

I removed the example in question

I'm still looking for a consensus on what to do with the MAGA examples on the following pages:

• Gotham S 3 E 3 Look Into My Eyes: It cannot be a coincidence that the slogan of Penguin's fear-mongering based campaign, "Make Gotham Safe Again", sounds just like Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again".
• Arrow S 5 E 9 What We Leave Behind: Justin says that he wants to make the city great again. This is not the first time a villain has said these words.
• Supergirl (2015) S2E16 "Star-Crossed": Rhea states at the reunion dinner that they're going to "Make Daxam Great Again," which is an awful lot like someone's campaign slogan.

The first two are Take That! examples and the last one is a Shout-Out example.

edited 23rd Mar '17 2:41:10 PM by MorningStar1337

What's the date of the episode? It's it earlier than late 2015, to be very generous, it's a shoehorn.

And Take That!'s are almost always ROCEJ violations in this case. They almopst never meet either the first or second criteria; a Take That! is, almost by definition, an indirect reference.

edited 23rd Mar '17 2:53:00 PM by Madrugada

The Supergirl episode aired the Monday of this week. I'll remove the other two examples now.

Namespaced the Supergirl example.

Also, I'd like to hear feedback on the following examples:

• Quit Your Whining: The RL example. Note that this trope is neither NRLEP nor Keep Real Life Examples. The only RL example concerns protests regarding the 2016 presidential election. Should the whole example be nuked? The example seems fine, but the hatred for Trump is still pretty strong, so I'm not sure if the example — even after being cleaned up for unnecessary details and length — should be nuked outright. I'm leaning towards "cut."
• "Bang!" Flag Gun: I think the first half of the Snoop Dogg example is fine as a (tasteless) Shout-Out to Trump. The second half talks about Trump's response on Twitter (breaks point 2). I'm asking because the example admits "The scene was controversial because the gun looks pretty real," and I'm tempted to cut the whole thing for that reason.

The first half of the "Bang!" Flag Gun example is valid. the second half is not.

Quit Your Whining is not valid.

edited 23rd Mar '17 5:43:47 PM by Madrugada

The RL section of Mis-blamed contains some specific references to political figures (Bush Jr and Obama), and also talks about the snarky "THANKS OBAMA!" meme which is admitted as a liberal parody of conservative bitching, then turns around and potholes Poe's Law (to address what you'd expect). Thoughts? And by the way, ~Madrugada, if Take That! examples are always ROCEJ violations, why not make it IUEO? It's already NRLEP due to being Flame Bait and a ROCEJ fun unit breeding ground.

edited 24th Mar '17 2:08:06 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

I said "And Take That!'s are almost always ROCEJ violations in this case. " "This case" being the Trump other current politicians clean-up.

Ah. Any thoughts about my other observation?

edited 24th Mar '17 3:22:19 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

The criteria listed in the pinned post at the top of this thread apply to troping ANY Real Life person. So they would apply to Obama as well.

I chopped the specific examples, plus the rest of the political stuff (as it seemed far too general and IMO, the less potential Flame Bait there is around here, the better.) After all, we're about fiction, not applying fictional conventions to often complicated real-life issues.

I found this on YMMV.The Dark Knight Rises's Hilarious in Hindsight entry

• During his speech while penetrating Blackgate, Bane notes that he's "giving the power back to you... the people." In 2017, during the inauguration speech of Donald Trump, the incoming president at one point accidentally quoted Bane almost word for word. Even their inflections are almost the same.

The consensus was that all "...in Hindsight" entries involving Trump are ROCEJ violations right?

Yes. All Hindsight entries about Trump are ROCEJ. All of them.

Makes me wonder how the Hindsight tropes avoided the NRLEP axe. Just saying.

Chopped these from the RL section of I Am Spartacus:

• Many people on Facebook listed Hussein as their middle names in solidarity with Barack Obama after Fox News and others raised a stink over him having a "Muslim" middle name. On the other side of the political spectrum, there were all those John McCain supporters and Joe the Plumber.

• #JeSuisCharlie, following the 07 Jan 2015 attack on Charlie Hebdo. The hashtag started as sympathy and support for the victims' families and loved ones; a few hours later, people were also using it to show support for freedom of the press and defiance of death threats. There's a pun in it too - "je suis Charlie" can either mean "I am Charlie" or "I follow Charlie".

• When Donald Trump proposed setting up a registry of Muslims, many non-Muslims took to social media in the wake of his 2016 Presidential win saying they'd register as well, such as this Reddit comment.

There's also two other examples I'm looking sideways at (one about Dakota Access Pipeline protests and another about the Satanic Verses fatwa and related shows of solidarity.) Thoughts?

Didn't the fatwa against The Satanic Verses affect literature circles? It's possible that it is mentioned in a fictional work, I guess... I think we need to see (or hear them described, with courtesy links) these questionable examples before determining whether to keep or cut...