edited to add this information, since this is going to be a long clean-up
"Donald Trump, as with any other current political figure, should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except:
- When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
- When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
- When the work is fictional.
All three of these must apply.
Alternatively:
- When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.
Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Harsher in Hindsight, or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding these political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.
We're starting with the wicks to Donald Trump (There were 751 of them at the starting point of this count.)
Wicks have already been checked and cleared up to
2/14/17 Inherent in the System
Given the current political climate, talking about Donald Trump on this Wiki is a very sensitive topic and pretty much any comment on him could easily end up violating the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. I talked it over on Ask a Troper and a moderator gave me permission to start this topic. I feel it will be necessary to make sure any mention of him is safe and avoids politically charged or biased opinions. Right now, we need to stick to facts, not opinions.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jul 27th 2020 at 2:06:58 AM
Hallelujah. 
Blapper of Water
Series.Last Week Tonight With John Oliver currently seems to be a loophole-magnet for talking about Trump and other RL persons that John Oliver has talked about.
For example:
- "Donald Trump's proposed wall along the border of Mexico appears to be built primarily of this trope."
- "Oliver accuses Donald Trump of "having blown up a political party, undermined confidence in [the U.S.] electoral system, declared open season on journalists, unleashed a river of racism and misogyny"... and also of having "really stupid hair"."
- "It's also a major focus in his segment on Donald Trump."
- "John mocks Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa for this,"
- "Edward Snowden, of all people; this is best shown when John asks him questions to gauge American loyalty."
- "Steve Mnuchin looks an awful lot like John, leading them to dub him John's evil twin."
- ad nauseum
Lost in Space
It's a problem, yes. John talks about RL topics, and we can't trope those by proxy via him. That's a fairly established rule.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Blapper of Water
(Potential) Edit Warring on Memes.US Politics.
I already cut the Trump-related examples on the page that were redundant given the now-cut Memes.Donald Trump.
Tropers.James Austin added them all back yesterday.
Also, I'm gonna take the initiative and purge that page of "memes" related to Trump's kids. There's no reason for politicians' kids to get that treatment.
edited 4th Mar '17 8:50:11 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Zzzzzzzzzz
Suspended. Re-remove them if you haven't already.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Still my fave
Hey, I just saw a quote about the results of the election on The Anti-Nihilist that doesn't seem like it should be allowed. What are you guys' thoughts? (The quote is at the bottom of the page.)
edited 4th Mar '17 7:27:21 PM by NervousShark
Fangs of the relentless thousand
Lost in Space
Removed with edit reason.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Still my fave
Blapper of Water
I've been seeing some entries for Acceptable Political Targets, so I checked out the page. The description of Trump on the page may be contributing to the inclusion of Trump-related "examples" of the trope.
It reads: "Known for being immature, bigoted and unpredictable, the 45th president had earned the ire of both US parties (though mostly Democrats)." Shouldn't this be revised?
Thatcher's and Clinton's are not nearly so nauseated. The entry for the Bush family could probably also use some revision, but I'd rather bring it up before rewriting things.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
I found this example on a Supergirl recap page.
- First, Snapper says that there's "too much fake news" floating around, which can be interpreted as a shot at Trump's near-constant use of that term.
- Second, when lecturing Kara on the importance of properly verifying her stories, Snapper says that one wrong quote from a presidential candidate can put a fascist in the White House, which reflects some opinions of Trump and his administration.
- There's dialogue in the episode with Alex protesting that many of the aliens being rounded up and deported from Earth are refugees who fled for their lives from things like genocide and they're being ripped from families they've formed on Earth. Sound familiar?
I'm fairly sure that the first two examples should be removed based on the rules on this thread, but I wasn't sure about the third, so I wanted confirmation before I removed them.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Cut all three. None of them are about Trump as a character in the work.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Executed.
Blapper of Water
WebVideo.Hitler Rants describes the work as a "meme" and the subpage Characters.Hitler Rants Other Characters lists, among other people and characters, various RL people who the Hitler character rants about. Is the list of RL persons worth keeping or is it too "gray area"?
Also, on Series.Last Week Tonight With John Oliver...
- I deleted an example that said:
- every time John has to start a story with "President Trump", he comments on how the words just never sound right.
- nighttrainfm added yesterday:
- mentions of "President Trump" are followed by examples of other words that just sound ''wrong'' together, such as "walrus porn" or "[[TakeThat Tilda Swinton]]".
I just noticed a reference to Trump on Spamalot, namely the Knights Who Say Ni making Trump jokes in their spiel. Is that kosher, or should it go under the ban on "it was just a joke" as an excuse for potshots?
edited 10th Mar '17 1:02:25 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Should the example from Darkest Hour be removed? If so, what about the other Real Life examples? What do we do with them?
Should Darkest Hour be made No Real Life Examples Please since much of whats dark to whom is subjective and it doesn't have a narrative to compare thing to?
Blapper of Water
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I took Darkest Hour to the RL section maintenance thread (link
). I think if we remove the Trump example, we should remove the Obama example. Maybe consolidate them into that second subbullet (concerning this being a cyclic issue in US politics).
Should I delete any political examples from Darkest Hour? Or wait for some kind of feedback?
Yanked this from the ''Hamilton'' memes page: Becomes a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment or Hilarious in Hindsight moment (depending on if you supported Trump or not) now that Trump IS President.
Should I just chop the whole example (it's about using the line "Never gonna be President now" pre-election as a potshot at the Donald.)
edited 10th Mar '17 9:51:15 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Zzzzzzzzzz
Yes. Yank it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Axed a reference to the same under YMMV.
Should similar memes about #BoycottHamilton and Brexit also get chopped? Memes about any kind of political potshots need to be shot IMO.
Blapper of Water
To add to that: I think "Boycott Hamilton" is at least a magnet for "Take That!" pre-text to comment on RL persons. Brexit isn't exactly a meme, and I don't recall seeing it as a particular problem magnet.
Like reflections in the glass!
found this in YMMV.Night In The Woods
- Acceptable Political Targets: Most of the people that are part of the Black Goat's cult give the excuse that the town is drying up and dying because of too many mining regulations, kids not wanting to stay where they were born, and the government giving their tax money to immigrants and poor people, much of which are reasons that many lower-middle-class Americans gave when they cast their vote for Donald Trump (who in his campaigning promised to bring back coal jobs, is heavily anti-immigrant, and is a Republican.)
I'm not sure if we should keep this (I'm also unsure what the consensus was on the whole Trump and Acceptable Political Targets discussion.)
edited 12th Mar '17 2:45:44 PM by MorningStar1337
Zzzzzzzzzz
Cut everything after "poor people." It's completely irrelevant to the example or the work.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
For the record, I salted all the other extraneous subpages for Donald Trump and wiki-banned the user who was making them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"