Broken Base Cleanup

Basically I think the issue came down to people being desperate to see Ash finally win. Then we get an entire series that seems to be building him up as the champion... and he loses in a match up he should have been able to win, which did cement Ash as a perpetual loser in the eyes of the random. It wouldn't have been such a big deal had Ash ever been allowed victory before.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 13th 2024 at 12:52:44 PM

How’s this for the Alain entry? ——

• Possibly the most divisive moment in the anime's entire run comes from Alain defeating Ash in the Kalos League finals, after nearly the entire fanbase was certain Ash would win the Kalos Leauge. Those against it felt that after the large build-up of Ash-Greninja's extraordinary power in-story and in promotional materials Ash should have beaten Alain.This camp also argue Alain's subsequent action of allowing Ash to get kidnapped by Team Flare and having a breakdown upon learning Lysandre's full goals would've made far more sense if Alain had lost and let jealousy get the better of him. Some fans went as far as to say Alain’s victory tainted the entire Kalos Saga for them and proceeded to quit the anime. Those in favor of Ash losing point out that Alain was a pretty strong Trainer and that his Charizard, the one to beat Ash-Greninja, had already proven himself more than justified in his win, having gone toe to toe with many other strong opponents prior to the League (the fights with the Legendaries and the ten consecutive Mega Evolution battles come to mind). This camp feels that Alain ending up with nothing for being an Unwitting Pawn would be Karmic Overkill, and Alain's arc works better by showing he could still obtain victory through legitimate means.
  • Related to this, Alain (and by extension the narrative) declaring that Ash was the real winner and better trainer during the aftermath of the Team Flare crisis has caused much division in the fandom. Some fans agree with such a notion since it showed how Alain's hollow pursuit of power allowed him to be manipulated by Lysandre, failed to help Mairin despite being a big part of his motivation, and made him complicit in the disaster caused by Team Flare. These fans also note that such a statement is more in keeping with the series’ overall themes. Others, on the other hand, point out that Ash being a better-adjusted person than Alain has nothing to do with their respective ability as trainers, find such reasoning an insulting excuse and a weak attempt at preemptive damage control over the inevitable backlash that was going to follow over Ash losing yet another league. This camp refuse to consider Ash a better trainer than Alain until Ash is able to defeat him at least once, with some going as far to argue the entire Leauge should be considered delegitimized since the Mega Ring Alain used to win was a gift from Lysandre.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Apr 15th 2024 at 10:13:13 AM

Looks way better and is far more concise.

Er, doesn't have good indentation, tho.

I made sure to use it better on the actual page (if I’m understanding what you’re refering to)

Edited by Mariofan99 on Apr 16th 2024 at 8:41:40 AM

I was talking about the attached subbullet. That's against the rules.

Oh so make it a normal bullet

The entry for Chikn Nuggit was edited back into a shorter, but still bloated and complainy example, by the same person who made it into a complainy wall of text in the first place.

change it to be more one-sided

initially condensed

Since I was discussing this YMMV page in another thread I wanna bring up this Broken Base example that I feel does not fit:

Kamen America:

• Broken Base: The comics' heavy handed conservative themes and writing might turn off some readers who feel they trivialize and overly demonize real world issues, alongside constant Straw Man characters like the Zenerengers demonizing globalism,diversity and environmental issues. Fans of the book however would point out Kamen America isn't any more overly political than left-leaning modern superhero comics, and that the book at least lacks the unhinged "gotcha" mentality and outright edgy racism and bigotry other indie conservative comic properties have become infamous for in the indie comic scene.

I don't think this qualifies since people who dislike conservative themes in stories are not really the fanbase for this comic, they never liked the comic to begin with and thus are not in the fanbase.

Yeah, that's not a base breaking.

Cut the example. Not base breaking for me also.

I guess it could be Audience-Alienating Premise but also IDK if I'd say that since this comic is again one of those conservative media pieces that solely markets towards people who already agree with it and thus left leaning readers were never a part of the "audience" to begin with. I also really haven't found anything that implies that left leaning people tried to read the book, although that's more so because this comic is niche and not very known compared to say, Daily Wire produced media.

It's more like a Moral Substitute if anything.