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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#76: Feb 18th 2016 at 7:32:50 PM

Also the fact that Lilina's support affinity is fire, for what that's worth.

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#77: Feb 18th 2016 at 8:30:51 PM

What would be a good additional arc for Lilina?

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#78: Feb 21st 2016 at 8:54:18 AM

So I decided to finalize the team split, between those who goes to Marth and those who goes to Caeda. This is what I have so far:

Marth

  • Titania
  • Lilina
  • Astrid

Caeda

  • Karel
  • Gatrie
  • Tailto

Also I changed my mind about Natasha. I probably am going to use someone else from Elibe, this being... Saul. I dunno, but I just think he's the most suave womanizer of FE instead of the more forward ones like Sain or Gatrie. He might be the one who triggered the Gatrie arc as well. The other one I had in mind is from Jugdral and... probably not someone you'd expect. Guessings open!

Another thing is that I decided that perhaps the Wyvern Riders I'll have would be a combo of Heath from Elibe and Jill from Tellius. Meaning that Heath now switches into the more 'senior'. Placements of these guys I dunno but you can help decide.

Also I decided that screw about 'too many Caeda clones', I'm considering on more than Lilina about this. Including... Tana.

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#79: Feb 21st 2016 at 9:43:10 AM

I never really interpreted Tana as that much of a Caeda clone.

...or rather, the Caeda-clone-ness was split between her and Lilina (Lilina got the mass recruiting, Tana got the flying horse, and then they both got the blue hair).

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#80: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:55:43 PM

So I decided that the fic would be something like... 'Fire Emblem: Cross of Fate' or such. Though the title might be misleading, there is no cross/crucifix to be found. It's just 'Cross' as in 'Crossover'

Which brings me a question. How many chapters does an average FE have?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#81: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:56:07 PM

About 25-30

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#82: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:54:30 PM

I thought Radiant Dawn has a lot more. Maybe even reaching 40...

Also an alternate name for that is Fire X Emblem. Ya think?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#83: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:56:21 PM

Sure, why not. Plot ideas? I'm sure this sort of thing has been done before, you're gonna need to stand out somehow.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#84: Feb 23rd 2016 at 12:24:56 AM

What kind of plot idea? The general fic overall, or certain arcs?

Well for overall plot idea, well I have this: There is one recurring element in the games... The 'Fire Emblem' MacGuffin. It takes form in many ways. Separated and alone, they could as well have a hand in shaping history, but if one would combine ALL Fire Emblems... the world will be shaped anew or torn asunder, which resulted the various continents being merged into one place. And the one up for the job in that is... the original Hero King, Marth.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#85: Feb 23rd 2016 at 12:27:06 AM

[up]Well except for Jugdral but that's beside the point

Not bad. Do you have any arc ideas?

edited 23rd Feb '16 12:27:45 AM by LinkToTheFuture

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#86: Feb 23rd 2016 at 1:05:32 AM

I have some. For instance, that one about Karel. Started out amnesiac and had to relive his quest that made him the Sword Demon. In the end of his arc, he'll eventually have to make the ultimate choice: Stay as Sword Demon or revert to Sword Saint.

I'd say more, but I'd like to know which realms are you more familiar with so I can know what arcs can be said and you actually getting it.

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#87: Mar 1st 2016 at 2:08:43 AM

I decided that I would reveal a possible arc and character connection here. However... this deals with some things: This involves someone from a game I haven't played... going with a character from a game I played... but I think not a lot who goes here played...

Last time, I had planned for an arc which involved Genealogy's Tailto, in which she is first in the broken, depressed state, but as the story flows, she will start picking up her spunk again and restored to an Older and Wiser, but still overall a Genki Girl like she was before shit hit the fan. What I had in mind is that there's someone from the Fates installment who ends up somehow getting involved in Tailto's arc. And that someone... is someone who shared the same name with her son. Arthur.

I wonder how to involve him within his arc: Does he have support convos after she recovers (Post-Recovery support), or he ends up playing part in her journey to recover (Pre-Recovery Support)? And again, this is largely also because I haven't gotten Fates (I'm still clawing my way through Radiant Dawn), so I could use some help.

This is also having the trouble that should we switch Arthur's name to Japanese, he becomes Harold, and it would kind of eliminate the name-link. So how do we get around that?

Let's try on discussing this. (And again, no marriage.)

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#88: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:52:13 AM

No Tailto/Azel? Son I am dissapoint

You gotta start somewhere.
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#89: Mar 1st 2016 at 3:05:55 PM

I could imply that, being that this took place after she... uh... died her depressing death, so she must have married. I could imply that her pair was Azel, but he doesn't appear.

After all, one of the main draws is supports that crosses between games. So supporting between characters in-game seems.... redundant.

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#90: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:23:39 PM

I take back my word on just Marth being the Lord. There's another Lord that has potential to be included to lead the secondary team... so unfortunately it looks like Caeda would be demoted. Because....

Because I just remembered that one of my fave Lords is Hector.

So I guess this might create an arc for Lilina. As in, reunited with her father as well as said father also happens to be in his prime rather than his old self.

You think?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#91: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:48:12 PM

Question - who would like to see an epilogue to the Revelations route of Fates, in the vain of the Trespasser DLC from Dragon Age Inquisition? Basically, it'd be a story set after the end of the main campaign that could - at least theoretically - lead into a brand new story, here via Outrealms shenanigans.

I already talked a bit about it awhile ago on the main Fire Emblem thread, if anyone wants to look there - would anyone be interested in talking about it here?

edited 1st Mar '16 8:49:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#92: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:48:12 PM

I'd love to talk about it once I get into Fates. But at the moment, knowledge is limited.

And hey, were you reading my ideas above? Have any says about it?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#93: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:55:52 PM

I, unfortunately, have a limited knowledge of the Fire Emblem series, especially on titles that never left Japan, so I can't really be of much help for a series-wide crossover.

If you wanted my opinion on something specifically involving Marth's games (of which I played the remakes, with New Mystery emulated), or Awakening and Fates, I am on firmer ground there.

Sorry I can't be of any more help.

edited 1st Mar '16 9:56:09 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#94: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:05:45 PM

Well you COULD answer about that thing on Arthur. While I'm quite versed on the Jugdral series, which never left Japan, I am currently kind of lacking with Fates. So we could cover each other on that one.

You score yourself too low, you can help at this rate, so, wanna give it a shot?

edited 1st Mar '16 10:06:09 PM by ChrisX

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#95: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:14:06 PM

I'll do the best I can, but I'm still in the middle of Fates, so I don't know how well I can do there. Nonetheless, I'm happy to be of service there.

Could you restate your question about Arthur - I found your initial wording a little confusing?

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#96: Mar 2nd 2016 at 12:22:42 AM

Here's an easier way here. The main story of this particular arc revolve around a mage girl named Tailto. In her life, she used to be very plucky and cheerful, but the world was extremely unkind to her that she fell to utter depression, degenerating to a shadow of her former self, and cried every day, to the point that she died a broken woman. Long story, for more details, you need to play the Jugdral games, but this should be enough for you to get a good gist of it.

However, before she died, she already gave birth to two children, one of them a mage named Arthur.

Now in this arc, Tailto was brought back from the dead. However, this results her being brought back in her depressed state instead of her Plucky Girl state. As in I dunno, looking sad, unhappy (Dull Eyes of Unhappiness can be used a lot here). The arc of the fic revolve around her piecing her memories, and reconstructing herself so she can reclaim her old personality and return being the cheerful girl she was in life.

Now, for Fates!Arthur, I thought it would be a good 'partner' or 'friend' in this particular arc, as from what I learned, Fates!Arthur... is an extremely positive justice seeker who will protect those in need, and I thought he'd be a good pair for developing with Tailto for this particular fic. My question is... at which point should he involve himself in her arc? Should he involve himself when she:

  • Already recovered her spunk? This will mean mere support conversation post-recovery, in which Arthur will have to 100% converse with a restored Tailto.
  • Haven't recovered her spunk? This will mean that Arthur was there when she was still depressed, and helped her recover her attitude. This might make Arthur shine more about being the protector and champion of justice, but it might make supports with restored!Tailto seem redundant.

Which one shall it be?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#97: Mar 2nd 2016 at 4:18:54 PM

Well, that depends. What exactly would this support chain consist of?

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#98: Mar 2nd 2016 at 5:15:01 PM

That depends on the road taken, but one thing for sure, it's NOT a marriage support. It's something of a more friendship-bonding supports seen in the Elibe/Magvel games. Or base convos/supports in FE 12 or Tellius games.

  • If she already recovered, then the Support would be something along the line of Arthur being glad that she recovered and then both gets to know each other better (maybe Arthur would speak of the Nohrians, while Tailto speaks about the Freege house or at least just her family, including the same-named son of hers, Arthur)
  • If she's not yet recovered, then the Support would be Arthur trying his best to make her recover, maybe in his own bad luck manner but overall he'd play part in her recovery and development. This CAN have the alternative that the recovery process/development also happens in the main story instead of optional support, but I'd like to know how feasible it is.

Well?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#99: Mar 2nd 2016 at 5:25:17 PM

Well, how exactly do you envision her recovery happening if he wasn't involved?

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#100: Mar 2nd 2016 at 5:39:37 PM

A slight re-enactment of one event when everything goes from 'can be recovered' to 'go down to hell with no chance of restoration'. The Battle of Belhalla, where Genealogy's first lord, Sigurd, fell into a trap and murdered. Tailto was there and seeing or learning her friends getting wiped out took a serious toll in her mind, only to be worsened with her later tortures.

In this fic, because she'd probably be the only Jugdral representative there, she'd be the one who recognized it might happen again, but she's too deep in depression to act. But thanks to some 'interactions' with others beforehand, she could muster up enough bravery to warn them and avert it to happen to her new friends, and it is at this point she would finally be on the road of recovery, thanks to the good feels that she prevented her history from repeating.

That's the basic of her recovery, the involvement of others can be optional, but I'll list it anyway:

Arthur... might not be the same verse of the Archanea-Jugdral-Ylisse, if what I learned was true (Odin, Laslow and Severa coming from a different verse), but I thought he might be the only one from that party to know about the Jugdral saga by being told by Odin, Laslow or Severa about some 'history lessons from their verse' so if this is the case, he'd be one of the people that knew what Tailto was talking about and helped in preparations to prevent that re-enactment.

Another alternate compared to Arthur (which I'm not sure) is... well, Sumia from Awakening. IIRC, one of her supports mentions that she reads novels titled 'Genealogy of Holy War' (or whatever IS translated it to) and she might have a hunch that the upcoming events might be a re-enactment from the novels she read, and because she thought it's the saddest part of the novel, she'd be willing to help.

But either way, those two can help Tailto instead of others going like "You worry too much. We'll be fine."

You think?

edited 2nd Mar '16 5:40:11 PM by ChrisX


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