Albums worthy of receiving their own TV Tropes article?

I'm perusing some of these pages and seeing problems with formatting (for one thing, song titles go in quotation marks, not italics) and Zero Context Examples.

I've been correcting the song titles and doing some formatting (namely, the Kraftwerk's albums pages and a couple of other ones).

New albums added the past few weeks:

• Apostrophe (') by Frank Zappa.
• Bad by Michael Jackson.
• Bedtime Stories by Madonna.
• Bridge Over Troubled Water by Simon & Garfunkel.
• Dangerous by Michael Jackson.
• Destroyer by KISS
• Dynasty by Kiss.
• Future Shock by Herbie Hancock.
• Head Hunters by Herbie Hancock.
• Hot Rats by Frank Zappa.
• I'm Breathless by Madonna.
• The Immaculate Collection by Madonna
• Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs by Derek and the Dominos
• Legalize It by Peter Tosh.
• Let's Dance by David Bowie.
• McCartney by Paul McCartney.
• Merry Christmas by Bing Crosby.
• Natty Dread by Bob Marley.
• News of the World by Queen.
• Over-Nite Sensation by Frank Zappa.
• Remain in Light by Talking Heads.
• Sheik Yerbouti by Frank Zappa.
• Talking Heads by Talking Heads.
• True Blue by Madonna.
• What's Going On by Marvin Gaye.

Once again thanks to the tropers who made these great additions possible!

edited 26th Sep '14 2:11:05 AM by Patachou

Why are we adding Minimalistic Cover Art to every damn album ever? Natty Dread, What's Going On, and Legalize It are not remotely minimalist. This isn't a dichotomy, where anything that isn't Design Student's Orgasm must therefore be Minimalistic Cover Art. There's whole range between those two extremes, and the majority of album covers fall in that middle area.

Let's be honest, it's difficult to pigeonhole some of these covers:

• "Back in Black", "The White Album", "Unknown Pleasures": abstract motives or one color —> Minimalistic Cover Art.

• "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band", "Dangerous", "Cheap Thrills": covers that are full with details, symbolism, hidden messages or art that allows you to study the visuals closely —> Design Student's Orgasm.

• "What's Going On", "Thriller", "Legend", "Apostrophe (')", "Horses", "Ramones", "Ace Of Spades": covers that just show a face of the artist or the band or them striking a pose—> Minimalistic Cover Art

• "Freak Out", "Are You Experienced", "Rubber Soul", "The Man-Machine", "Blue (Joni Mitchell Album)": covers that show the face of the band or artist or them striking a pose, but done in a more artistic way (distorting the photograph, adding graphical art, lit in a special color) —> Minimalistic Cover Art in the sense that it's a simple photograph, Design Student's Orgasm in the sense that something artistically interesting is done with them.

And look at "The Velvet Underground & Nico" or "Dark Side of the Moon": a minimalistic idea (just a picture of a banana, just a picture of a prism) but done in a graphically interesting way by famous art designers.

Since there's no article that describes anything between an abstract motive or an attention grabbing Scenery Porn album cover full of detail for album covers I use Minimalistic Cover Art to describe simple album cover art. And why not? The term is not grammatically wrong. Using a picture of the artist to illustrate the album cover (like Natty Dread, Legalize It and What's Going On do) are a minimalistic approach. Until the arrival of Sgt. Peppers (1967) by the Beatles, when more effort and detail were put into making a Design Student's Orgasm most album covers were like this. It's the easiest way to make an album cover and often the simplest way of showing the audience which artist or group made the album cover.

Maybe an article for the subgenre should be created: Minimalistic Design Students Orgasm (for stuff like Dark Side of the Moon) or Artist Album Cover Art (for a simple picture of an artist/band on an album cover). But that's not a discussion that ties in with the intent of this thread.

edited 26th Sep '14 2:09:55 AM by Patachou

Is it not possible to just not put either trope on an album's page? Not every album cover fits into one or the other. That gets into Square Peg Round Trope territory.

Also, what's the thread for suggesting namespaces? Since we have so many albums with pages, I wanna propose a new "Album" namespace.

edited 26th Sep '14 6:45:15 PM by Odd1

^ This. Not every album cover has to be one of those two patterns. There's a while lot of other types between them. They're the two extreme ends of the spectrum, and both of them have criteria that must be met to qualify. A cover isn't minimalist just because it's simpler than a very complicated one. That's shoehorning of the worst sort.

@ Mrs Robinson: The idea of proposing a new Album namespace has been suggested earlier by troper Mark Lungo. I too am in favor of this proposition, so that makes three of us. I have no idea on which page to propose this, though.

@ The rest. If the discussion about album covers naming is of such importance to you, more important than actually creating pages for albums, yet at the same time you're not in favor of actually creating a new kind of trope for those album covers that don't fit in either category... well, then I don't see the point of discussing this in the first place. It's nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.

Yesterday I did create a new page though: Album Cover Designers, to categorize artists who have designed album covers. It may be a nice alternative to make this a trope for the more artistically interesting album covers. For instance, on the page of The Velvet Underground & Nico we could now add the trope Album Cover Designer: Andy Warhol.

edited 27th Sep '14 5:48:06 AM by Patachou

Er, that can't actually be a trope without going through You Know That Thing Where.

As for creating pages for albums, real life obligations kind of prevent me from having the time to create pages and fill them with info and tropes. If you want to suggest ideas for album cover tropes, by all means, feel free, but remember that if you're proposing a trope, that goes in YKTTW. It isn't nitpicking, however, to say that you should not try to force an example to fit into a trope—that's one of those all-important rules we have here. And Madruga asserted this point as well, and she's a mod, so it might be a sign that that's something important to remember...

EDIT: I just realized I've been reading Madrugada's handle wrong for the past 5 years.

edited 27th Sep '14 4:40:47 AM by Odd1

Started a proposition for the creation of a new namespace Album/... here

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13345901180A51310200&page=15

Let's carry that part of the discussion on there, if you please...

edited 27th Sep '14 8:53:29 AM by Patachou

Patachou, album cover art can fall into any category any other artwork can — it could be Photorealistic, it could be Surreal, it could be Cubist, it could be Naturalistic, it could be Portrait or Still Life or any number of things besides Design Student's Orgasm or Minimalistic. And just because "minimalistic" is not "grammatically wrong" using a generic definition, that doesn't make it right when talking about an art style or here, where it has a definite definition that's considerably more than "simpler than some other design".

Shoehorning is bad, and continuing to misuse trope like Minimalistic Cover Art after you've been told about it could get your wiki editing privileges suspended.

Should Discovery by Daft Punk get its own article, or is that already covered by Interstella 5555? I'd also like to see a trope page for Random Access Memories if possible.

edited 27th Sep '14 12:38:21 PM by Zennistrad

Does anyone else here think that Led Zeppelin's début album should get an article? In fact, I've been thinking of writing one today, but I unfortunately kind of suck at writing articles, so I was wondering if anyone else could do it.

Obviously, it would have to go under a name like Led Zeppelin (1969) to differentiate it from the band themselves.

edited 27th Sep '14 8:34:48 AM by MrLavisherMoot

@ Madrugada: My only point is that I've suggested creating some new possible tropes for these specific album covers that don't fall in any of these categories. So I acknowledge the problem, even try to think of solutions or alternatives, but alas, that's not good enough for some.

If the only reason they come here to this thread is to nitpick about an extremely minor issue, yet at the same time don't want to help make these two vague tropes Minimalistic Cover Art and Design Student's Orgasm have some subtropes that are a bit more specific , well then I don't care. Remove the Minimalistic Cover Art tropes where you think it's neccessary.

edited 27th Sep '14 8:50:17 AM by Patachou

@ Zennistrad: There are already a few films listed in the album list, because the soundtrack has the exact same name. 200 Motels, for instance. In Discovery by Daft Punk's case I would suggest giving the album itself a separate article.

@ Mr. Lavisher Moot: I have been planning articles for Led Zeppelin's first four albums for a while now and- indeed- there may be some problem in differentiating it from the band themselves. That's why I'm waiting until the discussion about the creation of a new namespace Album/... has reached a verdict. Because if it passes through then we can just named an album Led Zeppelin, without any problems whatsoever.

Here is the Album/ namespace forum discussion by the way:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13345901180A51310200&page=15

edited 27th Sep '14 8:54:19 AM by Patachou

That's good and all, but what are we going to name the fourth album's article, since it was untitled (apart from Led Zeppelin IV)? Something like "Untitled Led Zeppelin Album"?

Just replace the cardinal numbers with Roman numerals and then it will be good.

edited 27th Sep '14 9:07:50 AM by MrLavisherMoot

Led Zeppelin I

Led Zeppelin II

Led Zeppelin III

Led Zeppelin IV (because people call it that anyway, it's a bit like The Beatles (1968), which is called The White Album by everybody.)

edited 22nd Dec '14 7:31:47 AM by Patachou

Misusing tropes is not minor. Shoehorning examples into a trope that they don't actually fit into is a major problem for the wiki. Not everything has to have a trope.

Well, I decided to create the page for Led Zeppelin I. It needs improvement, though. Like I said, I suck at writing articles.

Decided to create a page for Discovery. I haven't put it on an index yet or added any tropes, and I'm going to be busy for a while, so if someone could maybe help me out a bit that'd be appreciated. I'll probably add it to the music index when I get back.

edited 27th Sep '14 12:43:13 PM by Zennistrad

I believe Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Beethoven's Last Night" deserves a page of its own for some reason. I might make one when I get more free time.

@ Gaon: We already have a page for Beethoven's Last Night by Trans-Siberian Orchestra. If you want to know which albums we already have go to Albums Index.

@ Mr. Lavisher Moot: Thanks for creating a page for Led Zeppelin (1969). I added a few tropes.

@ Zennistrad: Thanks for creating a page for Discovery. I added a few tropes too. You should add it to the Albums Index, though, and to the Decades List too for categorization. In this case Turn Of The Millennium.

A tip for when you have trouble thinking up tropes: check the article about the artists themselves. There's usually a lot of information about certain tracks of their album to be found and you might even stumble on tropes that you can use for the description of the album.

edited 27th Sep '14 2:23:56 PM by Patachou

Thanks, mate.

From the Genesis progressive rock era two albums immediately spring to mind that deserve a seperate article:

• Foxtrot (1972)
• Selling England By The Pound (1973)

While not hugely successful in a mainstream audience sense, these albums codify progressive rock to a large extent. Supper's Ready from the first album and Firth of Fifth from the second are THE prog rock Genesis songs for many fans of the sub-genre.

I might get around to making those pages myself.

We could use some Genesis bands, especially since we already have a Peter Gabriel album.