Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.
No discussion regarding nuclear war. As nuclear weapons are not being used by either side, nuclear war is off-topic.
When posting social media links, please (1) state the source [e.g. Reuters reporter? State-sponsored Facebook account? Civilian Twitter?] (2) clarify if it is fact or opinion and (3) summarize the information being presented.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
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Loss rates and their consequences are not reliably known to the public. The map is more or less the only thing that can be independently verified by someone without classified information access.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 27, 2024
- Russia is likely to make tactical gains in future, but not to overwhelm Ukrainian defences.
- Russian offensive is mostly focused on Adiivka, but operations Chasiv Yar operations are likely to intensify in coming weeks.
- Russia conducted a strike with missiles only. This is the first strike without drones since December.
- Ukraine is continuing strikes in Russia.
- More anti-immigrant measures in Russia.
- Russia advanced north of Adiivka and west of Donetsk City.
- Russia conducted an exercise in Transnistria. Moldova claims that this violates OSCE related treaties.
- Moldovan government fined TV stations in Gaugazia for hate speech and misinformation.
- pro-Russian governor of Gaugazia complained about being detained for three hours.
Edited by Risa123 on Apr 28th 2024 at 10:16:06 AM
"New" upgrades being done on the Chinese buggies by Russia.
Probably the fighting is going to intensify over the next couple of months as Russia tries to take advantage of their logistical advantages while they last.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 28, 2024
- Ukraine has decided to retreat from serveral positon near Adiivka.
- Ukraine is moving its forces to Kharkiv due to threat of Russian offensive in the area.
- Russian anti-immigrant measures are straining their relations with Tajikistan.
- Russia has arrested several western journalists.
- Russia has advanced near Svatove.
- UK claims to Russia has suffered 450k causalities since the start of invasion.
Killed two soldiers half his age with a knife. Probably has an intresting biography.
Oh, bother.
They were there for physical rehabilitation. So obviously not expecting a fight nor prepared for one.
Not exactly impressive.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Depends on the specifics, of course, but not anyone would even attempt this, even while drunk.
Edited by Smeagol17 on Apr 29th 2024 at 7:48:39 PM
Let's not write fanfic about the murderer, m'kay?
Well, without some fanfics we would not even be sure it belongs in this thread.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 29, 2024
- Russia made marginal gains northwest and southwest Adiivka, but no in the direction of Adiivka itself in last 24 hours.
- Ukraine claims that Russia is forcing Ukrainian civilians to join the military.
- Russia is behind GPS jamming in NATO states.
- Russia made gains near Donetsk city.
Edited by Risa123 on Apr 30th 2024 at 9:28:13 PM
“ in the direction of Adiivka itself” is redundant given your phrasing
The jamming's been reported AFAIK in the Kaliningrad area.
Well, according to the report there were other cases since then.
Edited by Risa123 on Apr 30th 2024 at 9:52:50 PM
Heard this a few days ago. Russia has added the population of the partially occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast to the spring conscription drive.
Might sound dark, but I don't see why they even bother. If they wanted cannon fodder, why not just straight-up use civilians as human shields instead of giving them uniforms and guns they'd instantly desert with at first opportunity?
Why would they desert much more often than average conscript? (Not that it is impossible, but I didn’t hear anything indicating that would be the case.)
Because it's one thing to be forced to fight and kill strangers against your will, which already leads to poor morale.
It's a whole another to be forced to fight and kill your own countrymen, effectively your own neighbors.
Well, as I said, that is possible, but I haven’t heard that DNR/LNR/Russian conscripts show much difference in this regard. So, it is not a given that (remaining) people from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblast would be much different.
Edited by Smeagol17 on Apr 30th 2024 at 6:30:39 PM
Just a FYI that there are pro-invasion Ukrainians in the so-called occupied territories who did agree to join.
An example is the Pavel Sudoplatov Battalion, led by pro-Russian Yevgeny Balitsky.
That’s part of it.
Russians are trying to bend the barrel of a captured Leopard 2 before they show it off to the public.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 30, 2024
- Russia claims that Ukraine attacked targets in Crimea.
- Tajikistan is angry about how Russian anti-immigration measures affect Tajik's.
- Former Georgian PM is returning to politics and is pro-Russian.
- Russian has advanced near Kremina, Chasiv Yar and Robotyne.
- Russia is planing to deport special needs Ukrainian adults to Russia according to Russian opposition outlet's investigation.
Edited by Risa123 on May 1st 2024 at 10:33:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1785287147492130833
A map of the places in Crimea where the ATACMS were used.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 1, 2024
- Russia is moving elements of 76th and 7th from Zaporozhia in direction of eastern Ukraine.
- ISW thinks that they may move them to Donetsk.
- Ukraine attack oil refinery in Ryazan.
- Russian propaganda machine is amplifying anti-Western rhetoric from former Georgian PM Bidzina Ivanishvili.
- Russian sources speculate that a corruption investigation into a Russian defence deputy may Timur Ivanov implicate another defence deputy Rustam Tsalikov.
- Russia advanced near Chasiv Yar, Adiivka and Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area.
- Russia is recruiting more criminals.
- US intelligence claims that Russia may take Chasiv Yar, but is unlikely to conquer any major city.
- Ukrainian intelligence agency claimed that Russia will start an offensive towards Kharkiv and Sumy oblast in late May or early June.
- US concluded that Russia violated chemical weapons convention.
- Russian anti-immigrant measures are straining relations with Kyrghystan.
- Georgian passed "foreign agents" bill.
- Russia advanced near Adiivka.
Edited by Risa123 on May 3rd 2024 at 11:55:33 AM
