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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#38401: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:01:57 AM

And tbf, Ducktales 2017 didn't spend every single episode attacking the concept.

It even ultimately ends with saying that no, adventuring as a family is a good thing.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2024 at 3:02:28 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38402: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:03:18 AM

Not every single one (it's why the Casino episode is by far my favorite episode of the series, for instance - it's just straight up "let's use an adventure to illustrate why the kids love Donald so much" without obstructions and it has so much heart as a result), but they definitely spent enough of it that it was noticeable, and enough that a case could be made that they did it too much.

At times, it did come off as them focusing so hard on the question of "why would anyone go on an adventure anyway? What do they get out of it?" that they occasionally forgot that adventures are supposed to be fun, or what the characters in those adventures can bring to the story beyond being self-referential.

And that hyperfocus arguably is at the root of a lot of the show's known problems. Dewey was a divisive character in the first season, and that could be attributed to the fact that they were so focused on examining and deconstructing his character type that the show rarely had room to include other characters or introduce plots that didn't have anything to do with him. Or the overall problem that - even given the attempt at seasonal focus for each of them - the triplets often feel like they don't have much to do in the story, since for until almost the end of the series their primary purpose was to be the vehicle through which the show delivers its self referential commentary and not much else.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:09:35 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#38403: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:48:58 AM

...You know, I kept seeing people saying that the show shows this so-called disinterest in the original's adventurous shenanigans... but like I personally never really picked up on that... or at the very least, its disinterest, didn't exactly stop this incarnation of Duck Tales itself from... well... still doing quite frankly exciting adventures. There are some banger adventures in this show, wacky hijinx, a genuinely enthralling feeling of mystery at every corner... hell, one of the few times I picked up on any anti-adventure sentiment being super overt... it was Louie, opting out of the Mount Neverest hike in that Season 1 episode... but like, come on, that joke was FANTASTIC.

But I did notice Duck Tales 2017 taking the time out of their day to call out the original Darkwing Duck show for not taking the time to explain that, hey, the Launchpad McQuack in that show, and the old Duck Tales show, was the one and the same. They even had Launchpad here explain how he would, in fact, balance both lives there.

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This is going to be so much fun.
#38404: Apr 28th 2024 at 6:38:16 AM

While I'm not really into Ducktales 2017 and only watched a few eps, I didn't really like how it tried to "swallow" Disney Afternoon as a whole.

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
#38405: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:13:00 AM

There's precedent for that, though. What about the classic "Chaos God" comic from Disney Adventures?

Edited by Aldo930 on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:13:19 AM

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BigBadShadow25 Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#38406: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:20:01 AM

Maybe they were trying to do back door pilots?

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GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#38407: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:41:48 AM

I think the darkwing duck episodes would qualify at least, especially the second one (introduction to gosalyn.)

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38408: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:55:30 AM

Darkwing was explicitly a backdoor pilot. The rest of them were mostly just them pushing the yoke to see what references they could get away with, rather than pilot attempts.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#38409: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:03:14 AM

As someone who has watched both shows, I can say that Ducktales 2017 was not disrespectful to the original.

Yeah, I never got the feeling that the remake was disrespectful to the original. Sure, it did poke a little fun at certain tropes, but the way it did it was in a good-hearted way and I always got the feeling that the remake was very appreciative of the original show.

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#38410: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:36:53 AM

I just didn't like the personality changes they made to beakley, webby, and doofus. I was ambivalent to most episodes except the grand finale which I hated.

I also disliked the art style which is frustrating because now whenever I Google gosalyn or darkwing it keeps showing the dt17 designs and their weird beak shape and pie eyes.

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leafsaber47 Oi, Dokutah, wanna Sploon? from post-apocalyptic world (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Singularity
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#38411: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:22:28 PM

I'm supposed to be going to go work outside (in real life) today, but I jinxed myself with the SvtFOE statement I made about the absence of its fan presence. Now I wish I didn't eat tacos yesterday.

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BigBadShadow25 Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
#38412: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:37:10 PM

So what do we know about the Moana 2 songwriters?

New Lion King prequel image:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0177_9.jpeg

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Apr 28th 2024 at 6:09:26 AM

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Brandon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38413: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:53:16 PM

Is that Mufasa? I hope he doesn't die from falling out of that tree.

Edited by Brandon on Apr 28th 2024 at 4:53:29 AM

With all the memes about women choosing a bear over a man, Hollywood might wanna get on an 'East of the Sun and West of the Moon' adaptation
AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#38414: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:03:34 PM

[up][up] So glad they learned absolutely nothing from the criticism that the Live Action movie looked lifeless and dull. But on second thought, why would they? That awful movie DID make a billion after all.

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Shoobedobah Anon Zilla from Guess Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#38415: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:06:37 PM

Apparently that lion is supposed to be Kiara.. who I will straight up admit I had no idea was even supposed to be in this movie until a month ago.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#38416: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:12:08 PM

They're adapting Simba's Pride too?!

Shoobedobah Anon Zilla from Guess Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#38417: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:16:03 PM

[up] Nope. Apparently it's a prequel revolving around Rafiki telling Kiara the story of Mufasa and Scar.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#38418: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:20:06 PM

Well at least they recognized her existence.

Brandon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38419: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:25:12 PM

And taking elements from the Timon & Pumbaa series by having Rafiki narrate an origins story. tongue

With all the memes about women choosing a bear over a man, Hollywood might wanna get on an 'East of the Sun and West of the Moon' adaptation
AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#38420: Apr 28th 2024 at 7:47:01 PM

Big City Greens is still doing good numbers for Disney Channel. I am glad this quirky yet warm and kind show is a success.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#38421: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:16:34 PM

[up]Especially with how their other shows aren't getting treated well between Owl House getting the third season compressed into being shorter than the creator wanted, canning Molly Mc Gee after two seasons despite doing well and cancelling a third season that was planned, and Hailey's On It not even getting a season 2 (first show since Billy Dilley to not get one).

Makes you wonder how much time Kiff, Hamster & Gretel, and Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur have left before Disney cans those next.

Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Movie and TV Goddess
#38422: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:42:05 PM

How come the Disney shows are getting cancelled?

I love animation, TV, movies, YOU NAME IT!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#38423: Apr 29th 2024 at 3:17:15 AM

because they have to end eventually

New theme music also a box
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#38424: Apr 29th 2024 at 3:28:58 AM

Perhaps the better question is why are so many of them ending prematurely, or getting screwed out of a proper three season affair?

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BigBadShadow25 Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
#38425: Apr 29th 2024 at 5:38:15 AM

The Mufasa trailer is here:

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.

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