RWBY General Discussion

It is because that's what a reboot is. It's not an adaptation of the original, it's a re imagining of it for the modern day.

It can still retain most of the original elements, though.

@ Snoketrope, I am sorry, but volume 4 and 5 felt really badly paced, I think they could have ended the show a while ago if the story was not moving at a snail's pace.

Also a rushed ending is better than no ending.

Edited by Overlord on Mar 17th 2024 at 9:03:07 AM

Not sure how two seasons with slow pacing means they can shove an estimated four seasons of content into a movie without it turning out like ass.

Well, they should have picked up the pace while they had the chance, now its either going to be unfinished or a mad scramble to the end.

Picking up the pace would have made the show worse not better.

Really, I don't think all that walking around and meandering they did in volumes 4 and 5 helped the story at all.

Edited by Overlord on Mar 17th 2024 at 9:34:54 AM

For me, pacing, like tone, is an umbrella term. So, there is much more to pacing than just how close or far apart certain events happen.

For example, pacing can include how information is conveyed (is it densely backed together? What is the mechanism visual or auditory?). These things help the audience determine how quickly things are happening.

It's the same thing with communication. It seems crazy but people perceive monologues vs dialogues differently even if they take the same amount of "real time." A similar thing happens with new information vs old information. People think that new information is usually conveyed faster.

Cut aways also play a big role in pacing too. If you have two plots each 10 minutes long, there are many different ways to show them to the audience. For example, Plot A goes on for 10 minutes then Plot B gets its 10 minutes both uninterrupted. Or you could do plot A for 5 minutes cut back to B than 5 minutes back and forth. The former seems much faster than the latter.

To bring this back to RWBY, the show's pacing isn't as simple as just something need to happen quicker or slower/sooner or later. In the same way, the tone of the show isn't as simple as just the music or the colors. It's a multi-facade aspect.

I mentioned a few pages back that someone made a version of volume 4 that just used Ruby's narrative for the entire volume and it vastly changed some aspects like the way information is presented to the audience or how emotionally connected certain scenes were.

However, not everyone is going to think that those changes are good. Pacing is both qualitative and quantitative. Everyone has their own opinions on what they want to see more or less of. For me personally, in order to really improve the pacing of volumes 1-3, it's not just about making certain things happen faster or slower. It's also about how information is conveyed (for example, should the audience know about Cinder ahead of time or not? Should the Blake and Weiss stuff have happened sooner or later? Should the audience have even known their backstories at that point or should they have found out mid way though the series?). There isn't really a right or wrong answer to these question but they do have a huge effect on how the audience perceives the pacing of the story.

Edited by Freshwater on Mar 17th 2024 at 10:10:31 AM

Someone made a literal shot for shot remake of Psycho. Like quite literally did everything they could to be as identical to the original movie with different actors.

Even something like Rebuild of Evangelion started off almost complete the same in every regard to the original Evangelion. It wasn't until the very end of the first movie that they started showing hints of deviating.

So don't say "it'll definitely happen exactly this way" because that's just speculation.

Edited by Shaoken on Mar 19th 2024 at 5:50:14 AM

God-damn this thread changed a lot since I started lurking in the first 50 pages. I wonder whatever happened to Serocco and Morningstar.

I remember discussion being a lot more fun and optimistic. RWBY was such a low-budget thing it was hard to dislike it (except for piggybacking off of RVB and later eclipsing it but that was my beef with it).

I think it used to just be such a small, creator-driven thing that we didn't have this problem or toxicity. Plus it was before Youtube essayism and social media presence became big and profitable, so there were fewer people jumping to join r/rwby critics and other dens of constructive criticism.

I can't say it wasn't Rooster Teeth's fault for making merchandise and DVD's - once it crosses the barrier of being digital content to physical media you've opened yourself to wider appeal and critique.

I've never seen an anime that got more people nitpicking and analyzing every thing about it since Neon Genesus Evangelion. I hope the next time an auteur comes up with something it stays in its niche fandom. Homestuck and Hazbin Hotel seem to have found their camp without becoming internet review fodder like Steven Universe and the MCU.

"Homestuck and Hazbin Hotel seem to have found their camp without becoming internet review fodder like Steven Universe and the MCU."

I'm sorry have you missed the last four years of youtubers complaining about Hazbin?

when it comes to the topic of the fandom of RWBY, I find that people just had really high expectations on what it could do, in multiple directions in certain camps of the fandom on how it's going to work like for examples: how volume twos finale was disappointing to most because it didn't shift the tone by then or how the Adam subplot wasn't as big, just to name a few.

Things like that make me think of this exchange.

"It subverted your expectations! It didn't fit your headcanon!"

"My expectations headcanon was that it was well written."

Problem is even at the times RWBY was well written (which is more than some people would admit and less than others will admit), people like you bent over backwards to turn it into a negative. The fact is it doesn't matter weather it's well written or not when you are always looking to put a negative spin on everything.

To be clear I'm not making excuses for RWBY's short comings when I say this, but what did people expect from RWBY?

I here all this talk of the great potential RWBY had, when that potential was just as much a myth as anything else. It was a story in a generic shonen world, with a generic shonen lead. It's main creative force was a guy who never did anything to suggest he was good a stories or world building (or anything other than making superficial fight scenes) and two inexperienced writers who's prior body of work was amateurish.

None of that changes the fact that RWBY was never great, none of that changes the fact that it should be criticized for it's many shortcomings.

But if you expected something great, despite having no reason to and then treated it as some great betrayal when it wasn't great. Well frankly you were deluded from the start.

I never thought it had great potential and I still think they underdelivered

I don't really agree there, outside of the first couple of volumes. Past that it evolved into a halfway decent shone style story.

It was never great, but it never sank to the lows, of the first two volumes again outside of V5. Yes not even V8 and I'm saying this as someone who really dislikes V8.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Mar 20th 2024 at 8:04:56 AM

Hazbin most certainly did not escape being turned into review fodder or mass controversy on the internet XD. I'd say the rabbit holes those dramas can lead you down make RWBY's pale in comparison, TBH

Edited by Snoketrope on Mar 20th 2024 at 3:00:14 AM

Oh yeah, there's been a lot of drama surrounding Hazbin and Helluva Boss long before Hazbin was even released!

At least RWBY didn't attract a shitshow until it was actually made and released.

I don't know if RWBY gets that much more scrutiny compared to other shows. Regarding Monty, I got into the show after he passed aways and, outside of a few nice tributes and a couple of discussions, he didn't really get brought up much in general show discussion.

In terms of negativity and positivity, the RWBY fandom doesn't seem that much better or worse than other media fandoms. I remember when Naruto and Bleach were ending and there was a lot of buzz regarding what went wrong and right with the characters, the pacing, the plotting, etc. Media that goes on for a long time changes. And people are going to have their opinions about what they liked and wanted to see more of and what they wished was cut.

I think RWBY is kind of like that. The show has been on for so long and changed so much that no one is going to like all of it. I personally would have probably made huge changes to volumes 2,5, 7, and 8 to start with. But that's because of my preferences.

Me re-watching "RWBY Chibi" (Season 2 Episode 6) and Ruby's little "sleep hypnosis" is bringing back flashbacks of Get Out (2017) (minus the brain surgery)

Question. I know CRWBY stated that V9 was how they chose to end Neo's story, but does anyone have a source for that? Because somebody on another site is demanding that I tell them where that was stated.

Edit: Nvm, I found the source.

Edited by GhidorahUltima on Mar 26th 2024 at 7:17:42 AM

Unfortunate. I just started getting into musicals since the Lucifer guy in Helluva Boss voices Light in the Death Note musical.

I respectfully disagree

I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Signed, a professional wrestling, KH, MGS and Avatar fan.

In other news we are getting the epilogue to Volume 9 that was shown at RTX, it's still canon and will be available on First along with the rest of Volume 9. What that means once the RT site shuts it's doors is anyone's guess.

I wish Rooster Teeth would go back and remove the ads in "RWBY Chibi" about their then-upcoming conventions, what's the point of those now?

My phone just blew up.

I'm at Urgentcare.

Anyway, so I guess RT just dropped all of Volume 9 on the RT site for those so inclined.