RWBY General Discussion

The "final shot" depends on whether you count V9 or Ice Queendom as the "last series".

If it's V9, the final shot would probably be the shot of Ruby seeing Vacuo at the end of 'Of Solitude and Self'.

On the other hand, if it's Ice Queendom, it's Team RWBY smiling.

edit: aaand pagetopper. Very cool.

Edited by Floater on Mar 10th 2024 at 8:21:55 AM

an opinion that i've been holding for a while is that part of the reason RWBY (and Rooster Teeth by extension) fell apart is the refusal to focus on anything that isn't team RWBY.

every single spin off or extension of the world is always about team RWBY. Grimm Eclipse, Arrowfell, Ice Queendom, the handful of manga and books, were all focused on Team RWBY exclusively, sometimes with appearances from the JNPR and antagonists. one set of four characters can't carry that many stories! especially not with an ongoing series that's super long.

so.. it's really not shocking that RWBY as a franchise wasn't actually a money maker, because they didn't end up making an environment where there could be multiple sources of revenue from one concept. focused short-term spin offs about other (original) teams with original stories would have done wonders to expand RWBY (the franchise) and let RWBY (the team) have some breathing room.

i think it can be directly compared to the Fate franchise, quite honestly. Fate did a great job at letting spin offs run with the concepts and give us a variety of protagonists and self-contained stories, and an actually good gacha game that stood on its own merits to help bring in revenue (and also focused on original characters).

"handful of manga and books"

Uh...no? None of the books focused on them from what I remember

We had 2 CFVY novels. A book about Roman and Neo's origin, and a book about In-Universe fairy tales.

We later got some animated shorts about the fairy tale books too. The biggest connection to the team being a cameo by Baby Ruby in one episode.

Yeah, I'll agree that while most of the extended universe material still focused on Team RWBY, but the novels are basically entirely not about them. That was a decent chunk of the appeal to buy the books in the first place.

my bad on the books, just literally everything else. i think my point still stands.

Edited by EpicBleye on Mar 10th 2024 at 9:56:55 AM

Even then, my thing is that while they are still focused on Team RWBY as characters, they always have world-building aspects to them that still provide to the world of Remnant itself even if it's not the characters. Grimm Eclipse gives us a look into the fall of Mountain Glenn, Ice Queendom introduces a new Grimm and Beacon faculty member (albeit we probably shouldn't talk about whether or not it's canon), etc. Plus, there's still stuff like the Grimm Campaign, Amity Arena (which focuses on everyone), and even more stuff that doesn't focus on Team RWBY specifically. Ultimately, while all the high-profile stuff has team RWBY take the lead, potentially to the expense of other characters, I feel like the extended universe works all add more to the franchise than people give it credit for.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Mar 10th 2024 at 10:09:40 AM

Worth repeating that making anything costs a lot of money of money. Spin iffs might have been popular or might have just been a giant money sink.

If they weren't making money off the spin offs, then they were extremely stupid to make so many.

Though it's not impossible they were.

That wasn't my point. I was saying that there is no guarantee on spin offs making a profit, so it makes sense they would focus on the main cast as they know that'd get a strong reaction, while the greater risks were handled with the novels which had a smaller threshold to cross to turn a profit.

Point about novels aside, I find this observation extremely ironic because the main show seemed super disinterested in its supposed leads until Volume 9. They barely participate in the actual plot in any meaningful way and had to be completely excised from it for a whole season to properly receive attention. Getting most of their focus in a bunch of spin-offs (many of which are either of dubious canonicity or just straight-up non-canon) isn't exactly a good selling point and just ass backwards.

Edited by Karxrida on Mar 11th 2024 at 12:48:05 PM

I mean it's nit like there were even that many spin offs in the first place. A couple of low budget games, an anime and the CFVY novels.

I'm sure a much bigger problem for RT and RWBY as a whole was them constantly undermining their most popular show (RWBY) in favor of whatever their new shiny toy was at the time. Which was especially troublesome since said most popular show was already niche, but instead of trying to grow it's audience they seemed convinced that whatever other crap they where working on, would be their really big hit and would replace RWBY as their number one. Let us not gorget how they wasted so much of their money and resources on a crappy Full Metal Panic rip off, while barely doing anything to advertise or promote RWBY.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Mar 11th 2024 at 1:39:57 AM

The thing is that GEN:LOCK despite stealing the budget from so many other wings of RT and starting the slow death knell of the company did show that RT could have tapped into the TV market. GEN:LOCK got a second season because it got decent enough ratings on Toonami. Imagine a hypothetical world where they took a fraction of the GEN:LOCK budget to touch up the earlier volumes to get them more suited for syndication. If it worked they would have another source of revenue and be in a stronger position.

Rooster Teeth's problem at its core was that they were artists first and businesspeople a distant second. They just didn't seem to know how to reliably make money.

"RWBY discourse has an inherent toxicity built into it, because RWBY's popularity is for better or worse, built off the myth of Monty, but unfortunately, it's just that, a myth. "

Kinda? the discourse it was already there as season 2 was quite....not good, but monty death and shane latter allow to free Monty from blame, part because his fight were super cool and kerry and miles arent exactly THAT good writers. So it was easy to pin them blame of them.

"H Bomber Guy making a three hour video about how the show was terrible after Volume 3 probably didn't help. "

No much, by that moment he didnt really said anything the fandom already said before so it was kinda wasted time aside from hints here and there(like how at times the writer did one thing and monty did another, make him speculate that at times Monty just got the chrararter and work his magic and they do whatever afterwards.

As for public...I will said there is two issue, simply is while it have atract a fandom the quality is middling in part because RT always try to aim higher they could be, issue of pacing, the lack of monty fight and so own but also RWBY already is like 70% finished. you need the writer to continue the story as it is. doing a reboot now would be a waste for everyone who already suck on it for years

I’m genuinely asking here, where was this an issue? The only time in the show where I would agree with this criticism was volume 5, where barely any plot was happening in the first place. The rest of the show, RWBY is in the thick of it most of the time.

I would say not for the series as a whole, but definitely for Ruby herself. The show often seemed to have a disinterest in her, not just compared to the rest of Team RWBY, but also compared to many of the other characters.

I think the myth of Monty was a thing even prior to his death. That he was the creator of Dead Fantasy made him this "great creative mind" (when there is really nothing in DF to suggest that). There was a myth surrounding Monty and they were selling RWBY on that myth.

Now of course during the first to volumes (especially the V2 final) the cracks in the myth began to show and the perception that Monty was a hack, started to become not all that uncommon. But when he died all of that got washed away and the myth became completely solidified. And of course a revisionist history arouse were people pretend that everyone liked the first two volumes and that wide spread criticism of the series only came about after Monty's death.

Does anybody here even care if the show gets cancelled? There seems to be little love for the series, and I don't see why somebody would worry about a bad story going unfinished.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Mar 11th 2024 at 1:56:26 PM

Yes people would care, despite what you've heard there's still a fanbase for the show, the show has had 9 seasons after all

I wouldn't call it a great show by any stretch of the imagination, but I can say that I enjoyed it in spite of it's short comings and think that their is stuff to like throughout the show. And ultimately I think many of the popular criticisms of the show are either overblown or outright made in bad faith.

So on a personal level I can say I'm sad to not see the end of the story warts and all. I would have zero interest in any reboot, but that probably won't happen anyway.

In terms of it's audience as a whole, it clearly has a fanbase and an audience, but one that's to niche to really be profitable. Those people will certainly miss the show if it get's canceled.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Mar 11th 2024 at 10:58:28 AM

The show has a huge fandom and such who love the story. Yes there will absolutely be people who care if it doesn't continue XD.

Yeah I care if it's cancelled and never finishes, and there is a big fanbase for the show. Don't forget the internet tends to amplify negative opinions, which is why if you just check social media or You Tube you're more likely to see negative takes than positive ones.

Yeah.

Accentuating the Negative is a plague.

I liked it. The characters were fun and the setting was cool. I would be disappointed if no more studio level RWBY stuff got produced.

Just because people talk about the show doesn't necessarily mean they like it.