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Is the Thanos mini happening in a different time period than Hulk's book, enough time for Hulk to become more or less one above all like? Otherwise I count it. Writers made it happen, editors let it happen.

Granted, if you're just invoking discontinuity I respect that, but in this instance we were discussing how a big strong character doesn't automatically make the rest of a team redundant. The Illuminati are a team, Bruce Banner is a member, and Hulk's currently on some good sauce. I think the examples were valid.

I think The Immortal Thor #4 gave an answer for power scaling the best.

A great bit of dialogue

Ewing’s Thor is so good

You said it happened in the "current Hulk run", which would be Johnson's Incredible Hulk book.

The fight you mentioned happened in Cantwell's Thanos mini series, a different book altogether. A character's run usually refers to their current solo book or specific creative teams.

As for the the current Hulk, it doesn't appear to be Devil Hulk.But Johnson has been coy about that.

Edited by Cortez on May 12th 2024 at 4:30:51 AM

I think Johnson hinted on Twitter a while back that the Hulk personality in the current run is Green Scar, back after Leader impersonating him in Immortal and pissed off at Bruce for the events of the Cates' run, but it hasn't been said outright in the story yet and I don't feel like digging for the tweet.

That'd be cool, but I wish it was clear in the run itself. I really didn't like how the preceding Starship Hulk run basically consolidated all of the Hulk alters back into Savage.

It'd be nice if I see an intelligent/mature green hulk, I can think "Oh that must be Immortal or Green Scar at the wheel" instead "Oh, it's just 'the Hulk.'" IMO the best Hulk stories are both the ones that remembers there's more than one Hulk inside Banner's head and that they each have their quirks.

Yeah after Immortal Hulk, and with the growing public knowledge of DID, I don't want Marvel to go back to treating the Hulk as one person. Honestly someone should really be taking the Hulk seriously in his claim of wanting to kill Banner. Even She-Hulk in her current series doesn't respect Banner's DID, scoffing when the Hulk corrected her.

It's definitely one of the worse step backs the book has taken since Ewing left. Like, Ewing's extremely tasteful, well-researched handling of Bruce's mental illness that - in many ways - made it difficult at best, uncomfortable at worst, to bring back a more "traditional" portrayal of Hulk and Banner... and then Cates immediately took things back to that and the series has clearly been struggling to find it's footing again since, not least of all because of how few other writers are willing to aspire to Ewing's handling.

PKJ's run has been a major step in the right direction due to going back towards the horror vibe of Immortal and coaching Bruce and (presumably) Green Scar's crumbling relationship in terms of both mental illness and abusive relationships that often bring them about, but it's still struggling a bit because it has the Cates run hanging over it like a shadow. You definitely get the vibe that Johnson just wanted to ignore Cates' stuff and do a direct sequel to Immortal, but evidently couldn't and just tried to roll with it as best he could.

I guess it is because Jen Walters's "Professor" equivalent has basically been her default hulk ever since her blood disease was cured at the end of her first series, but I believe her own gray side has come out twice, and that she's experienced a more monstrous, violent green hulk twice since the operation as well. I could see her wanting Bruce to handle it as well as she does, but Jen should definitely know problematic uncooperative hulks can be.

I feel like there's something to be said in the fact that while Bruce has never really understood why Jen doesn't want to be "cured", Jen has also never fully understood why Bruce would want to be rid of his Hulks. And I also feel that could be made into an interesting exploration of how people respond to mental illness in differing ways, but the moment brings up is a prime example of handling the difference between them poorly.

Right, the current strained relationship between Hulk and Bruce is a direct result of Cates run.

And honestly, i feel more sympathy for Hulk than Banner because of how Banner treated Hulk in Cates book.

It's also pretty understandable if not excusable why Bruce resents the Hulks so much.

They're all living reminders of how shit his life is. Savage Hulk is his horrible childhood incarnate, Joe Fixit is a childish power fantasy, Devil Hulk is his warped need for a father figure, and Green Scar nearly destroyed the Earth.

And there's also the mindless hulk that just wants to destory indescrimitably, and the Guilt Hulk, which I don't exactly remember where he fits in, but is a manifestation of Brain Banner. Supprisingly he hasn't actually surface as far as I know, only appearing on trips into Banner's mind.

But I would like a full team-up series between Hulk and She-Hulk, because every other supporting character of the Hulk besides the Warbound got good character development and understanding of the Hulk's system, and because Aaron's was hogging She-Hulk and using her as a Hulk standin never got to actually got to be explored the same way or get that understanding of Bruce's DID.

Also just for my own amusement and love for lore I'd also like for Tammuz to reappear because I think that would be cool.

Edited by GateStarX on May 12th 2024 at 8:22:53 AM

One nice thing about the Hulk stuff is that it keeps the DID separate from the actual gamma power. The gamma bomb, even given the reveal that gamma is the leakage from The One Below All, didn't really cause Bruce's DID. His DID was something that was developing since his childhood, with the gamma bomb just being a catalyst that gave his alters physical forms.

That's why others who get changed by gamma don't develop similar DID. They all have different issues brought out by the gamma.

Edited by M84 on May 12th 2024 at 11:24:07 PM

I do like that, although Amadeus Cho did come up with a theory in Immortal Hulk that anyone turned into a Gamma Mutate via Banner also got some weird Hulk-DID.

Jen didn't know what it was to basically lose control of the body every time one got stressed out and probably leveling a few buildings in the process, or having to deal with whatever the current personality gets up to when they take the driver's seat. And then there is the being hunted down thing.

Compared to She-Hulk, it is a nightmare.

The MCU did kind of touch on this in the first episode of She-Hulk, with Bruce being ticked off that Jen doesn't have an alter. While it was her show I was hoping it would touch on MCU Bruce also having DID.

Edited by GateStarX on May 12th 2024 at 8:27:58 AM

If Devil Hulk is more or less the father figure Banner wants, Guilt is basically the father figure Banner knows. It'd be interesting to see a "father" Hulk that's not warped by Banner's view; Green Scar is the closest but even that's more of a square peg round hole.

Guilt Hulk did physically manifest once, in Symbiote Spiderman. It was a pretty good issue and definitely made Guilt one of the more unnerving Hulks.

As Spirit and said, Guilt did get out once as shown in Symbiote Spider-Man. Unsurprisingly, he's just as batshit insane in the real world as he is Bruce's mind, so much so that unlike Devil, he retains his freaky monster look from the mindscape when manifesting (making him kinda look like 2099 Hulk). The reason he doesn't really come up anymore is because Bruce and the other personalities teamed up to kill him in the Paul Jenkins' run and he's either been permanently destroyed or restrained in such a way that he's never gotten back out of Bruce's head.

Also, GateStarX, Tammuz has shown up again and is a big part of the plot of the PKJ run, albeit as a Posthumous Character.

Yeah exactly, which is why I hope he manages to find a way through the green door and shows up in person soon.

Damn Guilt Hulk looks great even with the Land art.

Edited by slimcoder on May 12th 2024 at 8:50:06 AM

Anyone lost a Xenomorph?

Has Spider-Man ever gotten a crossover with Alien? Superman and Bats got one.

There's an upcoming Marvel and Alien crossover.