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Namor's had a 'distrusted by his own people' thing for a lot of his history, so that wouldn't be new.

From what I recall Aaron's Avengers already had Namor's reign ruined, being ousted from Atlantis while Atlantis falls apart and becomes a bunch of wandering tribes.

So he already left Namor in a really bad place.

Looks like he's starting the new miniseries in a surface prison.

Namor's also burned almost every bridge with what few friends he has on the surface as well.

I think only Bucky and the Hulk/Bruce are still fans. Even Captain America has apparently given up on him.

And like, he's only gotten worse and worse as time has gone on, with what little nobility he was supposed to possess being turned to ash.

How do you deconstruct that anymore than you already have?

Maybe have his father and Dorna come back to life and reveal they both secretly hated him?

It worked for Frank.

Captain America had given up on him by the time Namor asked to join the Avengers. But then Namor helped save the multiverse and willingly surrendered himself to the authorities for the people he drowned in prison toilets and I think Cap ungave up on him

I wonder if the new series will involve the first king of atlantis who imperious rex was coined to describe who was introduced recently. He left mad at namor for letting Atlantis get destroyed so much.

He was locked away by atlanteans and lemurians because he tried to get them to stop being racist but they worked together to lock him away so they could keep being racist.

God. They almost got the point and then bounced right off it

To be fair, this isn't new. Other stories had implied that Frank's and Maria's marriage was already on the rocks before Maria and the kids were killed.

Even in Earth-65, Maria leaves Frank when he goes full Punisher.

Frank should jump earths to the one where he was killed and Maria and the Kids became the Punisher. Then they can be one big happy Punisher Family.

Man, Cody Ziglar isn't even being subtle about throwing as many anime references as he can in anymore.

The image won't enlarge. I can see what's happening, but can't read the dialogue. What's it referencing?

Huh. So even Namor can progress I guess. The respect of Captain America carries a lot of weight. Earning back even a fraction of it might be Namor's greatest victory.

It's Chainsaw Man, dude.

Referencing the powers from Chainsaw Man.

The dialogue:

Deadpool: [makes the fox devil summoning gesture] You ever seen Chainsaw Man?

Mercenary: What the hell is that—? [gets chomped by Princess]

Deadpool: Never mind, you'd probably hate it.

Reminder Namor slaughtered entire UNIVERSES because they MIGHT collide with the main one and worked with some of the worst villains in the cosmos to do so. At least one of them was straight-up better than 616. I can’t see him as even an antihero after that.

To be fair, he was right. That was the only way to save the 616 with the earth. It's a big problem with me, that for all of Secret Wars' bluster Tony's cynical pragmatism really was thr only method to beat the incursions. There really was no other way. Thank god Doom had his change of heart and that Reece was willing, I guess.

Edited by raykoda16 on Apr 20th 2024 at 12:17:40 PM

Like I said. I couldn't read the dialogue.

And I haven't looked at old chapters of Chainsaw Man, so I may have forgotten if there was a scene like that in the Manga.

To be fair, Chainsaw Man has so much insane stuff, it all kinda blends together sometimes.

I kind of wanted to see Sublime, as originally envisioned, versus the dust creatures who lived under Caretaker's Cemetery and nearly killed The Night Stalkers in Midnight Sons.

Sure, that'd be an Evil Versus Evil plot but call it an X-Book/Ghost Rider crossover, have Beast, Magik, Alejandra and Robbie team up to stop both parties after their fight lasts longer than their popcorn supply and is putting a reservoir in danger.

The dust creatures claim to be the first sapients on Earth and it's rightful rulers. This would make them older than Sublime. Sublime claims to have controlled every dominant creature on Earth until the mutants developed immunity to him. This would mean he also controlled the dust creatures. So it would just turn out they weren't sealed under the cemetery because they were evil/dangerous but to get away from Sublime until they were ready to fight back. Every thing else just put extra locks on the other side of the door to keep them down there longer than intended because nobody liked the entitled geezers.

Didn’t really love the bleak tone of Hickman’s Avengers run for that reason

The heroes weren’t hard enough to do what had to be done and the hero of the piece Victor Von Doom wasn’t good enough to get that last millimeter over the finish line so Reed had to swoop in and shove the plot to the climax by just being Better

A lot of the tie ins were fun though

It's not just the dialogue, the whole page references the Kon attack fight down to that hand movement and then a fox monster attacking.

Yeah. I really did forget that.

Not sure how. I remember Denji riding a Shark to fight the Bomb Demon, but not that.

I remember a lot of crazy things about Chainsaw Man (which is just all crazy, all the time), but that one I forgot about.

I need Makaima to step on Deadpool now...

x4 Hickman's run on Avengers is REALLY hit and miss. It has a lot of really cool ideas (I love the expansion of lore for stuff like the Superflow, White Events, Captain Universe/Uni-Power, and such, as well as a lot of the new ideas like the Builders and their systems) and great individual moments, but the overall plot sucks and is basically just using the Beyonders as a cartoonishly overpowered Villain Sue "everybody dies" button. Hickman has openly said that he didn't know much about Marvel outside X-Men, and it very much shows, as unlike X-Men he had very little sense of the series' lore and characters. Not to mention it just goes WAY too big in scale.

With his X-Men it's a shame he never actually wrote a straight ongoing like he did for Avengers, FF, or Ultimate Spidey.

As he served more so as an architect and event planner, with his X-Men ongoing being more of an anthology piece setting up stuff other writers can write about.

Honestly, part of me feels like one day we could use an era of X-Men where there's NOT a bunch of writers and books, just one X-Men title with one writer handling the entire stable. Cuz I feel like the Krakoan Era would've gone a lot smoother if Hickman didn't basically get forced off his own project to appease the writers' room and let them keep playing in the world he built.

It's an idea that's floated around a lot, basically a big anthology book like DC's 52 featuring a lot of characters in their own stories by different writers.

The anthology approach would have really helped Fall of X cause they went freaking overboard with the miniseries. Like the start of Krakoa had ongoings so you at least can follow a central plotline in each book.

But Fo X had Dadk X-Men, Dead X-Men, Alpha Flight, Iceman, Realm of X, just an insane number of books and it expected you to believe all these books are relevant for Fo X. It's ridiculous.