This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
Creator/ could also include developers and producers, like Mutant Enemy and Jagex Games Studio.
Historical Domain Characters are usually a mix between Useful Notes and tropes. I am inclined to rule that the Useful Notes aspect should take precedence, since as a trope there's a good possibility they'd be People Sit On Chairs. And then if they end up gathering lots of examples, we should start looking for subtropes to split.
edited 10th Mar '12 2:03:34 AM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:01:11 PM by Jicragg
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This brings up an obvious problem: many creators are also actors. There's even a trope about how this line tends to get blurred.
I'm seeing more and more composers moved to the Music/ namespace. This seems wrong to me, as most of them aren't performers.
edited 10th Mar '12 7:59:39 AM by Prfnoff
Actors are involved in creating a work, sorta. Hence, I want to have 'em into /Creators/.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:01:02 PM by Jicragg
Perpetually Confused
So have we every figured out where Fan Films go? Been wanting to make a page for months and still have yet to hear a decent answer on that one.
I'd say /Film/, since Fangames go into /VideoGames/ too and /FanFic/ seems to be an exception (it would often fall under /WebOriginal/, as they are rarely published as books, but we have /Webcomic/ and Web Original seems to need a split in various categories)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:00:54 PM by Jicragg
Hammer of the Pervs
How about Publisher/ and Studio/?
That would cover Nintendo, MGM, Paramount, Infinity Ward, Image, DC, Marvel, Sledgehammer Games, Virgin Records, and so on.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
I prefer to have them together in /Creator/, since even an actor is involved in the creation of a work.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'd support a Creator/ namespace.
Do we have anything definitive on where abridged series go? I've seen them both in WebOriginal/ and FanFic/. Or maybe we should wait until Web Original gets that split it needs badly...
Stop Motion should be animation, but the animation is under going splitting into namespaces in another thread. 
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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:00:44 PM by Jicragg
Thing is, most abridged series are really Gag Dubs than just plain out fan works. If we ever get a fan work name space though, I wouldn't be opposed to putting them there.
One Piece blog Beyond the Lampshade
Do we have anything that works for audio dramas in the drama cd form? They aren't radio.
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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:00:36 PM by Jicragg
Lost in Space
I wanted to have it split as People/ and Company/, because the line between an actor and an author blurs quite a bit.
Let's Play goes in Web Original unless we create a more specific namespace for it.
edited 12th Mar '12 12:01:22 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I didn't think of a /People/ and /Company/ split - might be a good idea really.
I think that Web Original is as for now the holding ground for anything web-related that isn't webcomics. I support splitting it up in more namespaces.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI don't see the need to have two separate namespaces for people and companies. They're both creators. From the perspective of our mission, there's no functional difference. And having the namespace line up with the page type makes it clear that they're not works or tropes.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Lost in Space
The issue is that you're leaving off people who are not creators. Plus, a person and a business have fundamentally different tropes.
edited 12th Mar '12 12:17:43 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Yeah, we would have to classify actors, editors, all the "parastory people" as creators as well. And Historical Domain Characters as tropes (unless they already are)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIf they're not creators, they should be Useful Notes.
Historical Domain Characters are tropes if they're tropes and Useful Notes if they're Useful Notes.
Actors and editors are creators. Why wouldn't they be creators? A lot of people contribute to the creation of a work.
edited 12th Mar '12 12:20:34 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Definitively support people and entities like businesses to be /Creators/ when they are all involved in creation of stories. This would also help us defining what we are not about.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:58:57 PM by Jicragg
A paper is passive in creation. People aren't. If anything, that argument would go about cameras.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Good point. In this case, actors&authors&directors would fall under /Creator/ (since the're involved in the creative process) and other people would fall under /UsefulNotes/.
And what about Public Domain Characters? Do they go under /UsefulNotes/ or /Main/ since they're used like tropes?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman