X-Men In General

You're not the only one who's said it, as I've seen it stated elsewhere on the site like the headscratcher subpage for Old Man Logan itself and I'm sure I've read it on other pages too.

I actually do think Mysterio could pull it off.

Yeah, I was debunked on how he got around Daredevil's senses, but I could buy that he could find a way to deaden Logan's senses for just long enough for him to do some damage. He does have some experience dealing with people with enhanced senses between Daredevil and Spider-Man.

Also, found this post of an old issue of the All New All Different Xmen on Scans Daily.

So this is an interesting little detail. I think I've mentioned it before, but Beast was essentially the break-out character of the X-Men in those days, since even while an active Avenger, he was still appearing in X-Men comics.

Meanwhile, Angel and Iceman were off doing their own thing, until Angel came back for the tail end of the Dark Phoenix Saga (and I still think it's a narrative tragedy that Iceman didn't return as well, as the symbolism of New and Old X-Men coming together to defend one of their own was a missed opportunity).

And Beast is still pretty popular even today. He's found his way into almost every adaptation of the X-Men even if he's not always there from the start.

Beast was arguably the most successful X-Man before Wolverine. A lot of people these days can't fathom Beast being anything but an X-Man, but in the 60's and early 70's the X-Men were the bottom of the barrel. When Beast joined the Avengers he didn't just switch teams, he graduated to the larger Marvel universe. When he left the Avengers he didn't go back to the X-Men, he hopped over to the Defenders instead. Returning to the X-Men almost seemed a step backwards.

That only changed once X-Men became Marvel's biggest property.

It's real interesting though that he was still allowed to be used by Claremont even though he was an active Avenger at the time.

But I guess the death grip on characters was mostly one way back then. I suppose other writers were more willing to let Beast hang out with his old team on occasion.

X-Men Forever and Rise of the Powers of X day, snd I'm liking both far more than Fall of the House of X.

We get a lot more detail on Xavier's Face–Heel Turn, with a resurrected Sinister delivering this line to a newly resurrected Rasputin:

And, well... not wrong.

However, the bargaining chip Xavier used to get close to Orchis was Mother Righteous. And bringing her back to reality lets Enigma interrogate her and uncover the Phoenix plan. So now it's calling the other Dominions to help it exterminate a wounded Phoenix.

Personally, I think that may be part of the plan all along...

Oh, and remember that line in Immortal about how WWIII would never happen because Xavier had tampered with world leaders' minds, just a little bit?

Now Orchis are using that access to prevent a unified response... and to get access to the nuclear arsenals in place of the doomsday weapons the X-Men just trashed...

Why would the other Dominions being willing to even consider helping Enigma? He's been nothing but hostile towards them (i.e., eating them and other machine-life like popcorn). For that matter, what would any of the other Dominions have to gain from killing the Phoenix?

That is a rather clever payoff for the world leaders thing though.

Rise and Forever being better than Fall is pure damning with faint praise. The only reason they're any better is because Gillen is actually trying to express the themes of the Hickman run and tell a decent story, where Duggan's book is just him jerking off over the thought of X-Men killing Orchis and Sentinels while torching everything down to get things into the editorially mandated places for From The Ashes.

Edited by immortaleditor on Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:32:49 AM

the phoenix is the thing that can kill dominions, sinister any version of him's biggest ability is to get people to back him even though he will betray them. its probably like "hey guys we are gonna be under attack by the phoenix and it might not stop with me so help me kill it"

Sinister being able to get people to back him has never felt believable and always reeked of Plot Armor and plot contrivance. Guess even godlike super-AI aren't immune to the power of "we need to wrap this up".

Podcast with Jed McKay

He confirms that Glob Herman and Xorn will be in his book. And other Mutants might be hanging in Alaska.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:09:01 AM

Glad to hear Xorn is getting some love.

Mc Kay has stated that he's sick of of Avengers being treated as the Man, so the X-Men and Avengers will be on good terms. If they have to come to blows then he'll think of a good story reason to justify it.

The team dynamic will be Cyclops, Magik, Juggernaut, Psylock, Idie and Kid Omega as the away team.

While the home team who manage the base will be Beast, Magneto who is the "spiritual leader" and Xorn who as the team healer.

With Glob Herman who just kind of hangs out.

Glob just kinda hanging out around the base without actually contributing anything is pretty on-brand for him.

Also it seems that most of the people in the white hot room are staying there and won't be able to escape when they do the Phoenix plan, the important ones are leaving of course but not most of them

I've seen people claim it was Klum too. I wonder if it's some sort of Mandela effect.

I would imagine the reason was because Klum was Mysterio in the main canon at the time (Quentin hadn't been brought back yet, I don't think) plus Francis is a mutant giving an X-Men connection for an X-Men story, so a lot of people just kinda assumed it was meant to be him. Frankly, the character in Old Man Logan could be either Francis or Quentin - the text never identifies him as one or the other, and his dialogue and role would work for either.

Heh. ForgetMeNot’s in the crowd of resurrected mutants in XMF this week!

Glad to hear that. ForgetMeNot is great.

Only the important mutants coming back is just . . . so frigging typical.

Anyway, good for Glob Herman, getting to be in X-Men. He's cool. Xorn's an odd choice, but I've heard nothing bad about Mackay, so I'm sure he knows what he's doing. And it adds another non-white character, something it and UXM don't have many of, between them. Also, two non-classic characters, something else largely lacking.

Yeah, one of the biggest strengths of the Krakoan Age was how it used more obscure characters in ways just as important and significant as the big names. We just got out of an era where nobodies like Synch, Peeper, Nekra, Exodus, Nanny, and Orphan-Maker could be just as big of deals as people like Magneto and Cyclops. And now we're seemingly going back to "only the classic Claremont teams and the current writer's pet characters that are TOTALLY gonna be the new Kitty Pryde/Jubilee/Wolverine guys, we swear", which has almost never been a good thing.

Any chance La Bandera came back?

I'm still optimistic that Gillen's going to write a good finale for Exodus, whether that's a death for his cause or a change that sets him up for other writers to use.

In X-Force and NYX are using using nonprominent guys like Surge, Sage, Anole, and Prodigy in their line-up.

So it's probably a case of the main books having the safe casts while the other books goes a bit experimental with lesser known Mutants.

Which is something Krakoa was already doing to begin with. We praise Krakoa for experimenting but it's had plenty of books with all-star casts.

Mauraders: Pryde and Lockheed, Emma Frost, Storm, Iceman, Bishop, and Pyro.

Excalibur: Captain Britain III (Betsy Braddock), Gambit, Rogue, Jubilee, Apocalypse, and Rictor.

Nea Mutants: Sunspot, Magik, Cypher (merged with Warlock), Mirage, Karma, Wolfsbane, Chamber and Mondo.

Not every book was Hellions with incredibly deep cut casts.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 25th 2024 at 12:31:35 PM

Just found this video about how the hairy animal with claws actually has a lot of friends.

I mean, maybe if they focused more on this than his obsession with Jean and the belief that he's just a stabby guy, there'd be less piss takes on him.

It does remind me of that time during the Phoenix Saga where Colossus was having a crisis of confidence during a danger room session and might have been crushed between two walls (back when such a thing might have actually killed him) and Logan opts to help by stepping into the room and getting Colossus to find the strength he needs to save them both (back when crushing probably would have worked to kill Logan).

The guy can be more than edgy killer dude, and it's always nice when someone remembers that.

So the same problem that Batman has where they are so focused on one aspect of the character that they think makes them cool that they end up make the character a tool.

These scenes from Wolverine and the X-Men are pretty awful cause of it

Wolverine doesn't even feel like Wolverine, he's more like a caricature written by a Wolverine fanboy who bends the universe around him to make him the guy all women drop their panties for and all men are inferior compared to him.