Transformers 4

Alice. According to Word of God she's a Pretender.

In the novel, she's not, she's a Transformer whose alt-mode is an Alice in Wonderland animatronic.

Yeah. When that happened in the second one, that was such an infamous example. Regardless of the quality of the movies, most people agree the second is the worse.

The hype for that was so real at the time and so was the crushing disappointment at how much of a letdown it was was too.

You give the fourth and fifth ones credit for at least doing different enough things that didn't totally insult the audience's intelligence—even though much of it was admittedly dumb.

How smart it either was being with how dumb it was is left up for debate of course. Haha.

I would be in favor of calling this the Live Action Transformers thread.

How do people look at Sentinel Prime from Transformers 3? Satisfying or no?

Ehhh I feel they should have just used Megatron instead of trying to use an evil Autobot.

He's fine. Not a deep character but is elvated beyond say the Fallen due to Leonard Nimoy's preferomace.

What is everyone's thoughts on Harold Attinger from 4? I liked him fine, but I don't know if that is just me.

As much as I loved Dylan Gould in Dark of the Moon as the series' first human villain in league with the Decepticons, Harold Attinger was a way better character. With Dylan, he showed the willingness to sell out the world for either his own survival or his own grandeur and with Attinger, he was a zealot plotting to destroy aliens he deemed a threat to his humanity first rhetoric while also building his own underling aliens with the goal to enforce said psychotic actions and that did make him more of a force to be reckoned with certainly. Whatever you think of him in real life, Kelsey Grammer was surprisingly effective—though I do also give Patrick Dempsey credit for being rightfully memorable in a role that definitely fits the Playing Against Type mold for him.

I'd be good with changing the name. How many other Transformers threads in the Live Action Films section though?

I think I'm crazy because I was listening to Pointless Hub's analysis of Transformers 5. It just seems like such a damn mess of a movie.

And nobody watched it.

I saw it in theaters. The second one is probably still the worst to me and it's not close. The fourth and fifth films are great, but they're kind of fun though—or the fourth at least is.

Until the title's changed for the thread, gotta keep focus on the fourth film. Wishing I hadn't missed it in theaters, especially because I could've just gone by myself—though that was at a time where I probably wasn't trying to just go to movies I wanted to see, but trying to see them with at least one other person though.

I think you might be the first person who has unironically said that the last two Bayformers movies are great. I'm kind of impressed.

The fourth movie just really bothers me. And the fifth movie I still refuse to watch. Do tell what you liked.

Given the next part of the sentence, pretty positive he meant to say "not great."

Yeah, probably. Looking at it now it seems ridiculous.

Mark I can't act Whalberg: I'm an inventor!

I meant to say they AREN'T great. My mistake. I still like them though.

They're dumb fun. I don't harp on them the way others do certainly.