Transformers 4

I want Galvatron by way of UNICRON.

Unicron isn't really a good idea IMO.

Hey, I'm totally up for it. Transformers movies are a guilty pleasure of mine.

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Also, Grimlock must be in this. No exceptions.

Considering they are making this a second trilogy they will most likely set him up as the main Big Bad of the new movies,

edited 19th Oct '11 6:59:39 PM by dmysta3000

If they aren't going to do a reboot, I want a time skip. Let there be a lull in between things. Plus, if Shia doesn't come back, a time skip could help explain why things are different.

Anyways, if they are going to make a fourth, please give the Decepticons different colors. It's next to impossible to tell one gray blob from another gray blob, especially if there's a lot going on.

That's what they're doing. From what I hear the main character is Sam Witwicky's son Daniel.

Hopefully he got there by piloting giant robots in fights with Decepticons. This will please the Deboss.

Also, I'm generally okay with slo motion.

Fight smart, not fair.

I agree with adding color to the Cons. Hell the only reason I knew that it was Starscream getting killed off in DOTM was because he's a frikkin Triangle. Every other Con might as well have been the same basic mook.

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I love triangle Starscream.

What.

Blackarachnia seems like a terrible choice for a main villain. She's generally remembered for being a bad-guy-turned-good in Beast wars, and her entire modus operandi while on the evil side in that series was undermining the guys who were actually in charge. In Animated, she had more villain power, but she was still more of a mad scientist than an a general or overlord.

edited 20th Oct '11 8:58:07 AM by Scardoll

Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.

Maybe they could use Airachnid instead?

edited 20th Oct '11 1:09:27 PM by Kostya

I just had a thought regarding a possible villain. Starscream's Ghost.

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I like this so far.

I am completely, utterly, and thoroughly done with Sola Sonica and 2D

Reboot? How about they just move forward. We get it, robots are Fighting a War, do we really need to be told that again? Do we really need a reboot just because some characters died. As if that'll stop toy sales. To we really need to see the film series end up like the cartoon series? We all know animated needed a reboot right?

Of course if you want to bring someone back in Transformers there are fifteen different ways to do so. There are maybe 18 different stories left to ripoff and 94 new ones to think up without adding anything new to the mythos. Add something new to the mythos, why not do that?

Say what you want about Bayformers, I probably disagree with you, but each movie can standalone. There are some details from previous films better known if you see them but nothing to the extent of a Continuity Lockout. You say his movies are too long, I say he did a good job of not padding one or two arcs for six hours and calling it a trilogy. Outside of loss of a voice actor there is no reason to reboot these movies.

Everyone's stuck on reboots cause films like Star Trek made it popular but everyone forgets the problems in franchises like Star Trek that are absent in other projects that really don't need rebooting. Spider-man didn't need one and Transformers doesn't need one.

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Considering how the previous films botched all the Transformers as characters, I'd say that yeah, a reboot would be beneficial.

Botched as characters need an explanation. Because they focused on conflict, logistics and fight scenes over characterization? Does no one appreciate good melodrama because that's what I think they were. Even if you didn't like the fight scenes or humor, the character's actions were consistent with what we were shown about them so I don't see how they were botched.

I also don't see why a movie can't be about different characters if the audience felt the ones already show were becoming tired or were ruined from the start. Kids are going to get Optimus, Grimlock regardless of whether or not they're on screen along with seven other non show robots they've never heard of if their parents can afford it.

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"Give me your face!" doesn't count as botched characterization for OPTIMUS FREAKIN PRIME!? Let alone the others' lack of characterization.

All the cool fight scenes, all the character deaths in the world don't matter if we don't care about the characters fighting those battles. Bay and crew failed to make us really care about the Autobots.

I actually liked Optimus a lot in DOTM, as we finally see an Optimus who has had enough. This guy has been jerked around, watched his entire race sink into extinction and he's just been pushed that one wee little step too far.

Seeing Daniel might be fun, depends if Bumblebee is going to be replaced by Hot Rod.

A problem that I have with the characterization in the films is that outside of the main robots (Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, villain of the movie, et cetera) Everyone is interchangeable. You could swap most of them with other bots and I would have never noticed. Part of this issue is the lack of color among Cons, which was brought up earlier.

Decepticons usually claim that they can't tell humans apart. Well I can't tell Decepticons apart in the films.

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Actually, one thing I sort of enjoyed about the characterizations of the movies is that they depicted the conflict between the two factions as completely uncompromising. There was no negotiation or sense of semi-friendly rivalries between anyone, they were all mortal enemies who would not hesitate to kill each other if given the chance. Even War For Cybertron didn't show nearly as much raw brutality against each other as the movies showed. That is what explains "Give me your face" Optimus, there is no genuine peace option available and he does not tolerate the Decepticon cause.

That said, even with the limited screen time for the bots because of the nature of being a live action adaptation it still would have been nice for a few more moments. The scene at the Observatory in the first movie is one of the few moments showing how the robots interact with each other away from the humans. Most of the bots were characterized largely by how they chose to kick ass, mostly Sideswipe, Mirage and most of the Cons (but since that's all we really saw of them that made them more popular than other characters with more screentime like the Twins).

Like I said, Melodrama. Focus on conflict and fights and less on characterization. Optimus was perfectly willing to die(as always) and also perfectly willing to execute the enemy(not as always) but these things were consistently portrayed.

Now if there was only one Transformers continuity prior to the films I could understand some outrage at the characters not behaving in a familiar way but Transformers has been rebooted more times than is healthy already. That gives the bayformers free reign. This Bubble Bee is a camaro, this Jetfire is an SR 71 Blackbird, this Soundwave is not a cassette player, this Optimus has flames on his chest that's fine because they weren't supposed to be just like previous characters to use those names. Beast Wars and Prime took greater liberties with entire factions!(Predacons and Vehicons)

Events explaining just how this Optimus became so different from his counterparts? That sounds like a great back story to open a new movie with. I wasn't kidding when I said there are at least 18 different ways to plot a new film with no reboots. Perhaps you'll get your wish for more character driven pieces, that would at least make the sequels different than the first three, though Dark of The Moon is different enough from the first two.

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No. Characterization should always be just as much a focus, if not more so, as the conflict and fights.

If the combatants barely recieve characterization, then why the hell should we really care about the fights? They'd just be style over substance.

Because one side wants to turn all of the planets technology into living weapons, enslave/destroy humanity(among other things), are lead by a Implacable Cannibal and are too close to victory for comfort. Because both sides continually update their strategy for dealing with the other, blow lots of things up and do a fairly decent job of depicting how chaotic different combat scenarios would be with giant robots? Because no characterization is not the same as not the main focus? They are still soldiers defending their country, civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time and bureaucrats that get in the way of things.

Then again, TV Tropes seems to have a different definition of the word than Webster's.

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Nope. Sorry, not buying it. I went to those movies hoping to see giant robots fighting to the death.

Fix'd that for you.

Fight smart, not fair.

How long must you bore me, Hollywood?

ALL CREATURE WILL DIE AND ALL THE THINGS WILL BE BROKEN. THAT'S THE LAW OF SAMURAI.

He's the director. While it doesn't ALL go on him the lions share does.

I disagree. The action scenes in the first movie were pretty horrible from the perspective that it was almost impossible to tell what was going on because of how zoomed in everything was. HOWEVER, Bay learned his lesson and by Dot M the action scenes were beautiful with enough distance to gain some perspective and tell what was happening. Sadly the rest of the movie was utter shit.

I liked Jetfire as an SR-71, the ultimate cool plane is now a transformer? Yes please! Wait... what... he's a doddering old Alzheimer's patient? Uhh...

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