I will say this: it's kinda funny seeing how many of the people in 2019 that were almost saying: 'Guaido is our lord and saviour!' have now turned on him. The guy must be one of the most hated politicians in recent times (not counting Maduro; he is the real winner on that front).
I never had much hopes about the guy... and I still was disappointed![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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I think 2017-2019 was the real turning point; that's when Maduro seemed to be days away from being lynched, after that... Well, seems like Maduro dodged a few bullets there (quite literally, if I'm being honest).
Anka Aquila
I think the real checkmate was when Putin stepped in to support Maduro, the message that sent was clear: You want to get rid of the regime? You'll have to pay the blood price for that.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
"Basically, Chavez had a sort of legitimacy that Maduro lacks?
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Yeah for a diversity of factors: his coup atempt feel for many necesary(which in highlight really show poor judge of chararter in venezuela sociaty if they let a military got away from that), he won the election, he was fairly popular for sheer carisma, having the "balls" to go against US(in reallity he was a bully who standing was mostly preformatory) and having that sense of being "one of us", also the Oil price was high and he manage to mantain a level of confort for people.
Maduro is another story: the oposition was finally getting united(sort of...) and managet a near victory to maduro, the fact chavez die nearly after and clearly didnt plan for a sucesor so he chose nicolas, who was fairly nobody at the time(really Polarity isnt joking about him being whatisface back them), the fact oil prices were starting to fall(in fact it goes back to a least 2008 but you get the idea) and finally that Maduro wasnt nearly as charismatic as chavez...or anyone else really, his constant language blunders make him frequent butt of the joke, like confunding panes(bread) with penes(penis), saying "porque ellos roban como nosotros"(because they steal like us) in a kind of prophetic freudian slip and just show to be a very low class politician, not dismilar to trumper in that regard.
This culimante in the asamblency of 2015 were hte position won nearly everything, THAT is when chavismo flip their colective shit and decide it was jackboot time for everyone.
" there were people who really wanted to believe that Chavism was working. It would have validated their hopes that socialism was viable."
Probably by the time, bush was at the height of is impopularity and chavez just wlak him, soundly proclaming himself sociatlist while insulting the fuck out of him, for many he was a popular choice, if people actually saw thing like insulting for is alcholism and other would realize his insulting way was closer to bully behavor but when it come to latin american left, they have little to none self reflection.
"Venezuelan people in their 20s seem to really like Ayn Rand and Objetivism. Not to mention, they're very conservative from a social point of view, mostly because they associate progressive rights with socialist agendas."
I cant stand how many venezuelan seen to love marco perez jimenez right now, specially in some webside like venezuela inmortal, there is a lot of "He was a great dictator that make us rich" without understanding how a country become prosper, hell chavez himself said he was good president back in 2012, it just show you how deep caudillismo is entrench in our sociaty.
"I never had much hopes about the guy... and I still was disappointed"
With guaido there was some issues: part of it is that the military stick their guns with maduro(if maduro fall, people will remenber that), part of it was trump lukewarm suport(if bolton is to be belive, trump didnt want to suport Guaido), and part of that is lima group understimated maduro(as per colombia own words) so the whole thing was bound to colapse really.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bolivar himself is a largely positive figure, but the way his legacy was handled...Bolivarinismo used to be a predominantly right-wing movement associated with the conservative traditionalist type of caudillisimo.
Perez Jimenez was one of them.
In a way, it seemed only natural for Venezuelan politics to have Bolivarinismo transform into a vanguard socialist movement under Chavez. And for Chavez to pick that as his model, claiming that Bolivar was a socialist.
Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Sep 3rd 2021 at 4:22:09 AM
In the name of being honest
Caracas Chronicles: More Venezuelans Face Hell at the Darien Gap.
In all, the human stories of what migrants have to go through when crossing the Darien Gap are even more appalling than those we hear of migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border via the desert or the Rio Grande, or the piercing stories of African migrants crossing the Mediterranean.
The saddest part is that the number of children crossing the Darien keeps increasing: Unicef reported recently that 2021 has broken the record in terms of the number of migrant children crossing that jungle. Moreover, that also in 2021, “at least 5 children were found dead in the jungle […] more than 150 children arrived in Panama without their parents, some of them are newborn babies—with a nearly 20-time increase compared to last year.”
Whereas in the past it was a route mostly used by Haitians, Cubans as well as extra continental migrants from Asia and Africa (from countries such as Bangladesh, Senegal, Ghana, Uzbekistan, India and Nepal), there have been important increases in the number of Venezuelan migrants and refugees moving north through there. The latest data by the International Organization for Migration (IOM) reveals that there has been an increase in the number of Venezuelan migrants arriving through the Darien route. In 2017, 66 Venezuelans were registered, but between January and September 2021, the number was 1,529, a 2,216.66% increase.
The Panamanian government has responded to the humanitarian needs of this population as best possible within their means. They have created a physical and institutional infrastructure to temporarily house the population in transit and attend to their humanitarian needs, including the installation of two Migrant Reception Centres (ERMs, for their Spanish acronyms), where migrants find lodging and food and have been providing health check-ups and medicines to those in need. However, they need support. Responding to the Venezuelan migrant and refugee crisis requires all hands on deck, and for countries not to rely on what Panama or any other country can provide alone, but what they can all, collectively, provide. After all, countries have the responsibility to protect this population. And this is a responsibility that needs to be shared.
My article doesn’t do justice to the dire reality of migrants in this part of the Americas. If you have a chance, check out this curated list of videos in English with excellent reporting on what’s really happening to migrants in the Darien Gap.
Sorry for not posting this but: https://albertonews.com/internacionales/ultima-hora-hugo-el-pollo-carvajal-revelo-que-el-regimen-chavista-mandaba-dinero-a-nestor-kirchner-gustavo-petro-evo-morales-lula-da-silva-entre-otros-detalles/
In other news, Hugo Carvajal (Chávez's former chief of military intelligence) in order to avoid getting extradited to the US from Spain, has decided to spill a lot of things from both Chávez and Maduro's regime funding other groups (source in Spanish) of similar thought across the world.
In the case of podemos, it said much of the money was in brieftcase that cant be review thanks to international policy.
So....chavez finance a lot of the pink tide, that is.....a thing, really.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
With news that Maduro's willing to speak to Washington DC on talks regarding Venezuelan oil, I wonder what this means for the opposition.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Doomed as always.
Watch me destroying my country
Anka Aquila
Well, Maduro's regime has been kept on support thanks to Putin so even if the oil money begins to flow again I doubt he will have the stability he had before.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Hasn't Maduro been privatizing things recently?
Heard Maduro freed the two Americans. I'll have to check if these guys are the supposed contractors in the botched coup.
Also, lawmakers in DC are not happy to hear that Biden is considering talks with Maduro for the oil.
Edited by Ominae on Mar 8th 2022 at 8:46:09 AM
Update:
Turns out the Americans released were related to Citgo executives supposedly arrested a few years ago.
AJ has a news video talking about the secret meetings in Venezuela.
Well, it seen Biden is now taking to maduro to boost Venezuela oil aparatus in exchange to cut Venezuela from russia.
From one hand is a good move: it will allow venezuela to get out of the economic sink hole it is right now, specially since russia cant promise to secure the venezuela olirgach money.
On the other hand it will be the total capitulation of Biden and any hope of venezuela be free of the red forever.
There is also two problem: asuring chavismo corruption dosent just end mishandling the whole mess(which it could happen) or Maduro just do that and still trade with the russia undert the table, just like many pro US afghanistan allies did side with the taliban.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
IIRC, something that Chavez did was he actually had great surplus from the earliest economic decisions, but failed to invest it anywhere else but the oil trade.
He never intended, a profesor of mine(he die a few years ago) said that everytime Chavez incrise expending or social programs the vote for him incrise.
In short, he use a mix of polarization and what can be consider social bribary to kept people in check, something maduro cant do because they run the state to the ground and because Maduro have like 0 in charisma.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Sorry for the double post but it seen the narco nephews of maduro have being free in exchange of seven US Prisioner by Biden.
out all, a pretty good swap if you ask me.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Glad to see them freed.
As expected of Maduro to be so weak. Giving up valuable bargaining chips just because your relative is imprisoned is pathetic nepotism, your family shouldn't go ahead of state goals.
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Well they were a embarrasing stain on Maduro, who by the way refuse to talk about it over hear and the channel barely talk it about it.
But yeah overall it was a good for biden. 9 US prisioners for 3 useless drug dealers? yeah.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tibisay lucena, ex president of CNE for 14 years have die yesterday of cancer at the age of 63 years old.
She was on the list of sanciónate functionaries by US(it look she escape it the best way she could), maybe accused her of fraud to favour chavismo in the election and help to undermind democracy and favor human right violations. Also know by her polemic declarations like the time sahe said ucranian woman who were in a hospital and have to run away from being bomb were fake news.
As you can see her death is a broken base in many ways, the left lament her pasing while making here cheer for her death. just another day here in venezuela.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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Necro and cross-posted from the US Politics thread: US agrees to ease oil sanctions as long as Maduro admin works with opposition party on fair and free elections.
Foreign Troper
It would be great to see this work.
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In the name of being honest
Reuters: First U.S. deportation flight lands in Venezuela under new Biden crackdown. Seems that oil prices and elections weren't the only things the US got out of the deal.
Edited by eagleoftheninth on Oct 18th 2023 at 4:21:27 AM
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Well, as of right now, I don't maintain my pavlovian hatred for Socialism, not as much. A lot of great men have been socialists, even if they never got to implement their ideas.
I mostly seem to stay away from that type of thinking precisely because a lot of people from my generation seem to have turned out just the same. Venezuelan people in their 20s seem to really like Ayn Rand and Objetivism. Not to mention, they're very conservative from a social point of view, mostly because they associate progressive rights with socialist agendas.
This doesn't help anyone in the long run.
I'm not going to defend socialism any time soon, but I am not a Rand supporter, nor a Trumpist.
And yes, cultural cringe is a real hazard when you live in a third world country. It's dangerous though, since you isolate yourself from society. The key, I belive, is to distance yourself from those attitudes. Find a community of friends or like-minded people and build upon that. If you need to leave Venezuela, that's fine. But as long as you're living here, you will not be able to function if you don't integrate yourself in some way.
With Chávez, it was just that. It wasn't only a very ignorant thing to say, it was hurtful. Back when I made this topic, I really felt alone, and my parents were earning minimum wage. Hearing "Chávez ain't so bad, cry me a river" from a bunch of people who hadn't ever seen Venezuela left me really dismayed. In any case, this is why I don't meddle as much in other country's affairs: I have no real way of knowing if I'm saying the right thing to say.
Well, that's enough reminiscing. Let's keep this thread going.
PS: If you guys check the original page, you'll see I predict that Chávez will get a worse successor, and I consider every possible candidate... Except Maduro, because I couldn't remember his name hahahaha
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