General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

We're talking about Arzest here. I'm kinda grasping at straws.

Is Superstars supposed to be a Mania sequel? I was under the impression the two projects were largely unconnected, beyond both being Classic games.

Not in the strict sense. Neither game has anything to do with one another in terms of plot or mechanics.

Just in the loose sense of being the next game after the previous one.

Yeah, I didn't think that Superstars was a sequel to Mania.

I kinda treat it as one since it exists to follow up on Mania on top of piggybacking off Mania's gameplay minus the elemental shields. It's a spiritual sequel in my eyes at least. It also has elements from Sonic Origins, but that's an Updated Re-release.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on May 10th 2024 at 2:45:01 PM

It's not a sequel to Mania anymore than Mario Sunshine was a sequel to Mario 64.

Not to mention it sounds like you're calling it a sequel specifically to crap on it for not being as good as Mania.

Mario Sunshine literally started as Super Mario 64 2 before being moved to the Game Cube. Of course I'm going to compare it to Mania, but Superstars not only pales in comparison to Mania, but is generally just a very mediocre game on its own merits.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on May 10th 2024 at 6:53:43 AM

I know it was a tech demo but I really wish we had Super Mario 128. I know this isn't a Mario thread but I want to see what that game would had been like?

Then go play Pikmin.

While Sunshine was a follow-up to 64, it is unrelated to the project that was conceived as Super Mario 64 2, having only begun development after both that project and Super Mario 128 were scrapped.

Liekwise, AFAIK there was never a point in Sunshine's development where was wasn't conceived for the Gamecube. It's why there's all the dolphin references (it's a Gamecube Development Gag).

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 10th 2024 at 9:02:28 AM

I stand corrected. Though I still consider a sequel due it having the same gameplay structure as 64, just with more emphasis placed on the mission based structure.

So, I have finally ordered a copy of Sonic Jam.

The Saturn game?

Yup

How much did you have to pay?

A good amount of money.

Probably gonna be the last high price game I get for a while.

Gonna give a take: I wish they ported over Jam’s difficulty settings for the Genesis games. It would have helped with the reputation those games would get amongst gamers my age or younger.

I think Origins removing lives was good enough since lives are only there to artificially make the game harder. And on the topic of the games being really hard for people just playing them, I remember taking ExoParadigmGamer's reviews on classic Sonic to heart and took from them, among other things, the games had poor difficulty balancing. Aside from Special Stages (where most of his complaints are valid) the games are only really that hard because you have limited lives and no saves in the Genesis versions of Sonic 1 and 2. I also took that Sonic 1 was better, which when playing as an adult, Sonic 2 is better in every way.

In Origins, you mean? I wouldn't have objected, even if I wouldn't have used them myself. I'm actually shocked they DIDN'T change the barrel (personally I would've made it into the ones that move on their own, so that it would function as an elevator).

I’m actually talking stuff like Mega Collection, not Origins.

I think Stars is a fun enough time. The levels have some fun gimmicks, the playable character moves are distinct, and for the most part, the bosses aren't too bad. They have patterns and can't fully be cheesed without powers, I think that's fine. I'd rather that than the instant wins most classic bosses are.

I mean, ideally the balance would be somewhere in the middle, but most classic Sonic bosses are really unmemorable.

I got stuck on the Casino Night zone boss for a while cause it was hard to hit him from below and i wasn't good at pinball.

Most of the memorable bosses are the ones you get stuck on. XD

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 12th 2024 at 8:47:21 AM

Or are just connected to levels you like. To me some of the most memorable bosses are Casino Night, Carnival Night and Launch Base.

(Yes I love Carnival Night even in spite of the barrel)

I’m probably one of the few people who doesn’t like Casino Night.

I loved the Casino Night Zone as a kid and I even loved the Carnival Night level (although it took me forever to get through that barrel).

I like Carnival Night Zone... As Knuckles. That's not just because he doesn't have the Barrel of Doom, but Knuckles' route is also just faster (or at least feels faster)

Casino Night.... Its not my favorite, but I think its fun enough. Not a big fan of the boss fight, though.