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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
Other way around.
Initially, it was revealed Flint faked his turn to good and was masterminding working for Silver Sable as a way to get amnesty.
When nobody bought that a kinda dumb guy was that good at planning, they hastily revealed he was actually brainwashed into being evil by the Wizard.
What's crazy is that a lot of really good writers do the same, building off small details and such. It's just that Byrne has the absolute stupidest conclusions about those little details possible and seems totally schizophrenic about what details he notices and which he disregards. Like, he noted that one line in a single comic decades ago about Flint being on the FBI's most wanted list but didn't care to note any of the other countless comics establishing Flint as sympathetic/redeemable in little or big ways, and also never stopped to research how people get on the most wanted list and whether he could write Flint as being on there but still likable.
Team Rocket Boss.
John Bryne is the type of writer who would somehow alienate even the most hardcore anti-Green Goblin people on this thread with his writing of the character.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Yeah, Flash whenever Byrne used him, was more of an exaggeration of Lee/Ditko's version. But ignoring any redeeming value in him.
Like when Spider-Man fleed from the Green Goblin fight way back in the original story and everyone thought he was a coward?
Kept in Byrne's Chapter One. But in the original story Liz mentioned Flash was so upset at his hero's rep going down that he got mad at her too.
Chapter One Flash, Liz mentions he almost took a swing at her.
As another commenter long ago said, it's surprising that Byrne didn't just reveal that Flash was faking at being Peter's friend.π
Fred Krueger
I think Sandman is much more Intresting as a redeemed villain, think about it, there arenβt that many ways to defeat him, and he canβt really be used for big things without it just getting silly. He was an Avenger at one point, hopefully heβll come back for one of the big βevery avenger EVERβ events
βThisβ¦β¦.is God.β
Unfortunately, he's considered to be too iconic of a villain for any redemption to stick.
Pretty flower
Latest Venom issue has him refer to Mania as his "child". Well, that's simpler than being a clone I guess.
Also "Zombiotes" are now a thing.
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hey Venom managed it, it's not impossible. 
Team Rocket Boss.
It's funny because Venom's popularity is way above Sandman, so Venom is too iconic to remain a villain if that makes sense.
It helps Venom's debut was close enough to the 90s that he could be promoted and given his own series.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
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Though even that took time, he "fell off the wagon" a few times over the years before he got to were he is now.
Team Rocket Boss.
Plus Venom had several successors who were/are evil, like Angelo, Mac Gargan, and Lee Price.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Trying to imagine Sandman successors and the idea is making me crack up
It just seems so wrong
Team Rocket Boss.
Closest are those split personalities he made during Brand New Day.
Come to think of it, he DOES have an adopted daughter who hasn't been used, and hates Spider-Man.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
There was a one-off villain called "Sandstorm" who got powers from experiments that he performed on samples that he took from Sandman and Quicksand.
Team Rocket Boss.
Who the heck is Quicksand?
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Villainess with the same powers as Sandman (while having no actual connection to him).
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Thor villain.
The obvious solution would probably be to just use Hydro Man instead, but knowing Marvel they'll give Flint a girlfriend with the exact same outfit and powerset.
Team Rocket Boss.
Remember back in the 90s show where he had a crush on MJ and then when she was cloned, she had Hydro Manβs powers?
Or at least I think she did, she did disintegrate into water.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
So Iβve heard Mania has appeared in Ewingβs Venom run. I wonder if Ewing is enough of a continuity fiend to actually finally resolve the infamous Accidental Downer Ending of the Daniel Way run, where Mania first appeared?
The Formatter
Mania was mentioned in the latest issue. It was described as less of a clone and more a regular spawn. Venom described not being able to grieve after it died.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Goku Black
So how long is zeb's run expected to continue?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The sleepiest good boi
He said he was leaving by the end of the year or something, didn't he?
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Goku Black
I know we're doing spider goblin story again before that?
Genuine question why? Was it suposed to be a bigger thing last year and it had to be cut for time due to gang war. So now their actually doing it.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
So what he Flint got forcefully turned to evil and the comic just forgot and treats it as a genuine FaceβHeel Turn
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."