Les Miserables (2012) film adaptation of the musical

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Many of the outtakes/deleted scenes have been compiled and mostly been translated on http://www.chanvrerie.net/outtakes/index.html if anyone else is interested.

Apparently you're not supposed to cheer on Javert.

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As far as I'm concerned, the only characters deserving of any hate are the Innkeeper and his gang. And that bleeding kid.

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Bleeding kid?

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'Bleeding' as in the British swearword, as in "You took yer bleedin' time, you little bleeder." (See, we not only have a wide range of swearing, but we make the little buggers work, pulling double duty as noun and verb.)

Kid as in the one who gets shot on the barricade, leader of the gang of urchins.

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I'd say I'm being refined Into the web I descend Killing those I've left behind I have been Endarkened

Are we not supposed to like the kid? I mean, I was getting the impression that he was supposed to be cute and witty, even though he pissed me off to no end.

To put my two cents on Crowe as Javert, I'm finding myself warming up to his performance. It's not the force and grit that the Javert role is known for, but is instead played more subdued and serene. Part of why I like his rendition of "Stars" is the dissonance, the declarative lyrics clashing with the gentle tone. Granted, it's not an amazing performance (I'm convinced Crowe doesn't play the role bombastic because he can't), but it's not as bad as everyone makes it to be.

I don't see what was so hateful about him. I thought he was a rather tragic character, going into the war with his misguided youthful optimism, clearly far too young to die, and overall a plucky young lad who is ultimately cut down in the prime of his youth.

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I've never been a Gavroche fan either.

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Well obviously he was supposed to come across as this, but I found him The Scrappy, and if anybody says he isn't a scrappy, in that case he was too much of a Scrappy Doo, and I mean the actual character, the one, who when first introduced, everyone at school went "WTF" (or late 70's early 80's equivalent).

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But I kinda like Scrappy.

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People who don't like Gavroche are in the very, very minority. And by that I mean that there's statues of him and places named after him in France.

Again, I fully understand that the character is supposed to be a tragic figure; a young boy who joins the rebellion, proves himself despite his age, and whose death marks the lows the French government is willing to sink. I get that. However, my problem is I don't like the actor's performance, who makes the kid look like an obnoxious jackass who gets himself killed while trying to play the hero.

He's a little kid. Impulsiveness is not exactly something that would be out of character.

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And once again it comes back to the character.

I think the actor is crap and has an annoying performance. I really don't think I can make this more blunt.

You said that the actor made him seem impulsive and annoying. I'd argue that that's an accurate way to characterize a little kid.

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But the ABC club had realised that all was lost - if it hadn't been for him they would have slipped away.

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he's just a kid. why would you hate him?

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Now that I think of it, that's actually not too far of a leap, since I at least know a really disproportionate amount of people who inexplicably hate all kids.

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I liked Gavroche's ferocity during the "Little People" reprise. I've seen better Gavroches onstage, but he was fine for me.

Ok, this is random, but did anyone else get a Hunchback of Notre Dame flashback when Javert is galloping over the stonework after Valjean? The horse is even black. I giggled a bit.

You've never met my youngest...

I don't hate all kids*

. I just found Garvoche in the film particually annoying; it appears to be a 19th century street urchin trope.

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Gavroche is a typical street urchin—the street urchin trope was largely based on Gavroche and Oliver. That said, he's stronger in the book. You get a better sense for how tough and clever he is. Though the Thenardiers are his parents, they threw him onto the streets. He's a tough little survivor.

I realise there has to be a element of precocious little brat to survive as a kid in the slums, but the 'cheeky chappy' the films have made such characters grates- everybody else is beaten down, yet lovable street urchins act like the Lost Boys in Peter Pan- its like Dick Van Dyke trying to be a cockney; Obviously no one would be so stupid as to cast that!

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As an aside, try reading Dicken's original novel of Oliver Twist. It was a far far darker portrayal of what it was like for street kids in London (and elsewhere) than even David Lean could stomach putting on celluloid. The character of the Artful Dodger, in particular, was completely different from both Lean and Bart's versions.

I've been accosted by urchins in the Philippines several times. It's about 50/50 actually begging for bread sadly versus perkily trying to sell you nothing while another tries to steal your wallet

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