Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.
It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine
They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.
I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.
another programmer's thing
Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning
Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM
Characters.Mahou Sensei Negima Two is still too long. It needs to be subdivided
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I can do it. I just didn't want to duplicate efforts. 
@Old Man Ho Oh said: Another idea for Doctor Who: we divide it roughly by the folders.
- Characters.Doctor Who Doctors
- Characters.Doctor Who Companions (I'd argue that most of those listed under "Minor Characters and Non-Companions" are in fact companions) *
- Characters.Doctor Who Recurrers
- Characters.Doctor Who Villains
- Characters.Doctor Who Monsters (the last two maybe fitting together)
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I think this is the way to go. The only difference is that I'd lump the companions and recurring characters into one page (thereby sidestepping the Who Is And Is Not A Companion flamewar^W discussion). I'd have:
- Doctors
- Companions/recurring characters
- Individual villains
- Alien Races
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
What. I cut that page in half and it's still too long!?
Is there some way of counting the number of html characters on it?
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CrowningMusic.Video Games has been split into:
- CrowningMusic.Dark Cloud
- CrowningMusic.Shadow Hearts
- CrowningMusic.Trauma Center
- CrowningMusic.Pop Cap Games
- CrowningMusic.The Simpsons
- CrowningMusic.Other Composers
- CrowningMusic.Third Generation Or Earlier
- CrowningMusic.Fourth Generation
- CrowningMusic.Fifth Generation
- CrowningMusic.Sixth Generation
- CrowningMusic.Seventh Generation
- CrowningMusic.PC Only
- CrowningMusic.Arcade Only
- CrowningMusic.Web Games
Grand Unified Timeline pages have been split into:
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.Prehistory
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.Ancient And Medieval History
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Renaissance And Industrial Revolution
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Nineteenth Century
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The World Wars
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.Mid Twentieth Century
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Eighties And Nineties
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Near Past And Future
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Next Two Centuries
- GrandUnifiedTimeline.The Far Future
Eternal Lazy Girl
For Internet Backdraft:
- Anime And Manga
- Comics
- Fan Works
- Films
- Literature
- Live Action TV
- Music
- New Media
- Other - includes sports, politics, toys, etc.
- Professional Wrestling
- Tabletop Games
- Theater
- Video Games
- Web Comics
- Web Orginal
- Western Animation
I think it would be a good idea.
edited 30th Nov '10 5:59:20 PM by DivineRose125
I'm a manga otaku!
Darker Than Black is currently soft-split into 3 sections. The first season, second season, and Post-2nd season OVA.
Perhaps we should treat the 2nd season and OVA as a seperate title? I was thinking Darker Than Black Twins Of The Meteor (the 2nd season is called Ryuusei no Gemini, translating more or less to Twins of the Meteor. The problem being that the 2nd season hasn't officially been liscensed and dubbed just yet.)
I could create the page and then we can just move everything from the 2nd season and OVA there, as those two sections are together equally as large as the first season's tropes.
edited 30th Nov '10 6:00:58 PM by DRCEQ
It's super effective.
Okay, halfway through sorting out Doctor Who, where would the Master's wife Lucy go?
Phew! Okay, the entries for Buffy The Vampire Slayer are now divided like so...
For Just Bugs Me entries about the Buffyverse in general, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about vampire rules click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about slayer rules, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 1, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 2, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 3, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 4, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 5, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 6, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 7, click here.
For Just Bugs Me entries about Season 8, click here.
(I've never created subpages before, so the addresses might need to be changed to something more standard. Hopefully they're fine, and at least the entries are all divvied up now.)
edited 30th Nov '10 6:01:12 PM by BritBllt
"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
Characters.Mahou Sensei Negima Two is unlocked. I didn't get what you were doing there, for a minute.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Geomancer
What do we do if these pages get too big again?
You got some dirt on you. Here's some more!
If they get too big again we do this again.
Can I get CrowningMusic.Video Games unlocked so I can trim it? I have everything shoved into subpages all ready.
edited 30th Nov '10 6:03:58 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Back in da New Yawk Groove
A thought to keep this from happening in the future: Since the issue with TV Tropes crashing happens at people having 500,000 characters inside a page, why not have a banner on every page that breaks a 400,000 character limit? It would state something like:
If a page grows to a dangerous 450,000 or 475,000 characters, the page could come under an immediate lock of sorts, with the same banner that we are currently using for Big Page Lock.
edited 30th Nov '10 6:12:57 PM by romanmyth
Pokedy Poke-poke
Geomancer
I don't know. It might encourage troublemakers to deliberately increase the page size.
You got some dirt on you. Here's some more!
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
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Yeah, I can see that happening. Is there any way of making the number of characters in a page visible? That was we could keep an eye on pages that are close to the limit.
@Fast Eddie: Thanks.
edited 30th Nov '10 6:19:51 PM by JapaneseTeeth
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Back in da New Yawk Groove
What if we had the above, but we added something that completely disallowed an edit above 500,000 characters? It would still be under a lock with 499,999 characters, however it wouldn't affect the entire site this way, and the article in question could have the "junk edit" wiped clean if need be.
EDIT: The lock would just make wiping the junk edit harder though... nevermind. >.<
edited 30th Nov '10 6:21:45 PM by romanmyth
Pokedy Poke-poke
Grand Unified Timeline is on time.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
It's super effective.
I don't think the number's 500,000, but there have been cases where the user can't edit any more. That's why Grand Unified Timeline got split into two, and then three pages to begin with.
It's super effective.
Splitting Doctor Who into:
- Doctor Who – Doctors
- Doctor Who – Companions and Supporting Cast
- Doctor Who – Villains
- Doctor Who – Aliens and Monsters
Also, I moved Lytton and Lucy Saxon into the villains sheet.
Creator - Laconic/24
I'm willing to help with the characters page for Kingdom Hearts. It looks like that one is divided by folders. Maybe go ahead and make each of those into a separate page?
“I just think that's really shady." "Shady?!" - Stephanie & Chad, The Amazing Race 17
JustBugsMe.Buffy The Vampire Slayer is back on patrol.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Thanks! 
edited 30th Nov '10 6:39:52 PM by BritBllt
"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
Okay, I did Karma Houdini.
- Anime
- Comic Books
- Film
- Folklore
- Literature
- Live-Action TV
- Music
- Newspaper Comics
- Professional Wrestling
- Radio
- Theater
- Video Games
- Web Comics
- Web Original
- Real Life
edited 30th Nov '10 6:43:21 PM by Tyoria
No, I was just asking for what to name the pages, though I can do that if you prefer.
What I DID do was archive the Pokémon Just Bugs Me page.
edited 30th Nov '10 5:25:42 PM by OldManHoOh