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  • The History of the Hobbit is full of these.
    • The first draft sets the story in the time of The Silmarillion, while in another, Bilbo mentions China and the Gobi Desert at some point, implying the story takes place in modern times.
    • Beorn was originally called "Medwed" (Russian for "bear"), Gandalf's name was originally to be "Bladorthin", Thorin's name was originally to be Gandalf, Smaug was to be "Pryftan", and Bilbo's working first name was "Bingo".
    • Plot-wise, the most drastic change was about Smaug, specifically that Bilbo killed him instead of Bard. In the earliest draft, Bilbo killed Smaug with a spear while the dragon was sleeping, while in the second and most developed one, the first time Bilbo infiltrated Smaug's lair he would stab him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ride a golden bowl on the stream of blood pouring out of Smaug's wound before triumphantly exiting the mountain. Tolkien decided to change it and invented the character of Bard to kill Smaug in a slightly more credible way.
    • Tolkien originally intended to mention Bilbo having a pair of boots made in Rivendell for crossing the Misty Mountains, but he somehow left that part out. His illustrations still show them, however.
  • After writing The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien wanted to go back and rewrite The Hobbit to include more Call Forwards and bridge the plots more smoothly. He actually started writing it, but he scrapped the project after a close friend noted that the work was brilliant but it was no longer The Hobbit.
    • The History of the Hobbit includes the re-written opening chapters which drops the narrator's comments and includes more geographic references to The Lord of the Rings like a stop at the town of Bree. Author John Rateliff speculates in his commentary that Tolkien could have included a cameo by 10-year-old Aragorn in Rivendell or Legolas making an appearance at the Battle of Five Armies.

Films

General

  • The films were supposed to be simple duology, but it was changed to a trilogy. Contrary to popular belief, this idea didn't come from Peter Jackson, but from producer/production manager Zane Weiner, who was sort of a Hero of Another Story for keeping the production on track during its many troubles and helping by vetoing any outside meddling he was able to. Jackson nearly had an on-set nervous breakdown when it came time to shoot the Erebor scenes during the two-movie period and to plan out the Battle of Five Armies (which had been getting postponed up until the end of shooting because they couldn't find any locations in New Zealand that would've worked, and the battle turned out to be more complex than first thought during development). Weiner then requested the three-movie split to salvage the production and give Jackson the time he needed. You read that right, the three-movie split was designed to save The Hobbit. Still, whether this was a good decision or not is up for debate.
  • When The Hobbit was first put into production, Creator/Guillermo Del Toro was originally attached as the director and did a lot of pre-production work before he left the project, including designing creatures and color scripts. He even got so far as concept art and casting before production stalled, such as BRIAN BLESSED!!!!! as Thorin, Ron Perlman as Beorn or Smaug and Doug Jones as possibly Thranduil, as well as Ian McShane, who Del Toro claimed "would make the most perfect dwarf" (incidentally he did but in a different film). He also planned to bring Martin Freeman and Sylvester McCoy (who had been passed over for Bilbo in LoTR), choices that were kept by Peter Jackson in the final production. Guillermo eventually had to move on to other projects, and Peter Jackson took over. Unfortunately to make a ‘clean slate,’ all Guillermo’s concept art was destroyed. Judging from his visually stunning style seen in films like Pan's Labyrinth or Hellboy, we can only be left to imagine what an elaborate and fantastical world Guillermo's Middle Earth would have been.
  • After Del Toro left the project, Warner Bros. wanted to get four other directors to direct: Neill Blomkamp, Brett Ratner, and David Yates. Sam Raimi also expressed an interest. It was thankfully settled down on Jackson.
  • The other dwarves all had their own mini-arcs and character development that were shot, and both the main plotline and Gandalf's storyline were given equal screentime, but according to one of the actors, they were all cut out by the studio who demanded more emphasis on action and on Gandalf's story.
  • In the DVD Commentary Peter Jackson mentions that the Goblin Town sequence was initially imagined as a lot gorier, especially concerning the disembowelment of the Goblin King, but the PG-13 rating nulled those plans.
  • Smaug was originally going to have four legs and a pair of wings, but was later changed into a wyvern. The original design can be seen in the opening of the original theatrical cut.
    • Smaug was also originally going to communicate telepathically with Bilbo (presumably through the Ring), since Peter Jackson was worried that if they moved his lips it would cause the scene to lose credibility. However after doing a few test shots of the scene, he and the other producers quickly realized that the telepathy route wasn't going to work, and changed their minds.
  • Eddie Redmayne auditioned for Bilbo. He recounts his audition on The Graham Norton Show here and notes how much of an Epic Fail it was.
  • Shia LaBeouf, James McAvoy, and Daniel Radcliffe were considered for Bilbo.
  • Bill Bailey auditioned for Glóin. He had previously done the same for Gimli in The Lord of the Rings.
  • Bill Nighy was considered to voice Smaug.
  • David Tennant could have played Thranduil.
  • Eva Green auditioned for Tauriel.
  • Christopher Lee’s participation in the films was in doubt for a time due to his advanced age preventing him from making the trip to New Zealand until the film crew accommodated him by filming his scenes close to home. Lee still wanted to participate in the films somehow, though, and offered to voice Smaug for a time.
  • Saoirse Ronan was offered and cast in the role of another wood-elf named Itaril (which may or may not have been Tauriel's first draft name) but she turned it down because she felt she couldn't commit to such a long shoot.
  • Julian Fellowes auditioned for the role of the Master of Lake-town but lost the role to Stephen Fry.
  • Viggo Mortensen declined to return as Aragorn, as he didn't appear in the original book.
  • John Rhys-Davies declined to return as Gimli, as he refused to ever go through the makeup process again.

The Desolation of Smaug

  • The romance between Kíli and Tauriel was always intended to be in the film from as early as 2010 with her relationship with Legolas being strictly platonic and more Like Brother and Sister. But when reshoots were done to turn it into three films, the studio forced them to write Legolas into the love story and turn it into a love triangle. Both Evangeline Lilly and Peter Jackson have admitted they hated the idea of a love triangle and just wanted to tell a simple love story. Orlando Bloom just pretends it never happened.
  • In the original script, Tauriel healed one of Bard's daughters (most likely Tilda) but when re-shoots happened it was changed to Kíli, which coupled with the aforementioned Bolg switch suddenly explains Kili being hit with an arrow.

The Battle of the Five Armies

  • The movie was announced as There And Back Again. It was changed because Jackson felt that was more properly the title of the whole trilogy.
  • The concept art alone provides some really wild, potentially awesome scenarios, including a scene of Bilbo escaping some snake-like creatures by hanging onto a collapsing tower and running across to safety on the other side after it forms a bridge. The idea of an action setpiece on a tower was re-used for the Legolas vs. Bolg fight.
  • Unused concepts featured on the Extended Edition Blu-Ray's documentaries include a sequence of Gandalf having delirious visions through Dol Guldur's palantír. They would have featured Smaug leading Sauron's forces and Gandalf pursuing a weakened, retreating Sauron to the Sea of Rhun.
  • Jackson had plans to somehow get Aragorn to cameo in the film, fully intending to have Viggo Mortensen return to play him. However, as Aragorn was not even remotely a thought in the original book, this idea was shot down because Aragorn appearing in the movie didn't make sense timeline-wise. Instead, he gets offhandedly mentioned at the end of the third movie, setting up how Legolas and Aragorn know each other a bit.
  • According to the making-of book of the film, Radagast and Beorn were originally going to have much more screen time. Radagast featured a chase scene in his sled through Dol Guldur in order to evacuate Gandalf while the castle crumbled behind them; he then would have noticed Beorn being captured by some orcs, and he would have freed him before following with his mission, with Beorn escaping in bear form. Apparently, those scenes were actually shot, being the reason why there is a Lego set of the film that shows Beorn being ambushed by two orcs in Dol Guldur, but sadly this footage wasn't included in the film's extended edition.
  • There was a scene where Bilbo motivated Bard and Gandalf and planted his acorn to remind them to keep fighting even though it looks like they are going to lose. It was filmed and nearly made it into both the theatrical and extended cuts but was lost among the ten minutes of footage that didn't make it due to both timing and Executive Meddling. Unlike the previous one, this scene was released and can be viewed here.
  • There were also some additional Tauriel scenes, including one of her comforting a dying Laketowner and his family and another one of her trying to shoot arrows at Smaug.
  • Thranduil's relationship with his wife was to be expanded upon and the explanation for the gems being so important to him as well.
  • A few awesome tracks were recorded for the soundtrack but aren't in the actual movie. For example, Dáin could have had this bagpipe-heavy theme tune.

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