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6	-> ''"I am absolutely convinced that the plan was to have Cassandra return in ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburVI'' without having aged a ''day'' so she could continue to be playable since she'd be under the 40-year threshold that forces women to retire in [[Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment Namco]] fighting games."''
7	-->-- '''[=The4thSnake=]''', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndIOPaL5k0#t=5m16s on]] ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburV''
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9	Old men are often seen as wise, experienced or powerful. Old women, on the other hand, tend to be treated as bitter, useless, and disposable. As such, many works of fiction have a DoubleStandard where older male characters outnumber female ones or are far more active.
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11	It seems that male characters age and either become {{Mentor\|Archetype}}s, [[OldSoldier old versions]] [[OldSuperhero of what they were]] or {{Old Master}}s, while female characters are either written out of it in various ways or remain [[TheAgeless eternally young and beautiful]]. It goes hand-in-hand with MenAreStrongWomenArePretty, since the women either ''stay'' pretty, or they're out. This can also be due to adding [[AffirmativeActionGirl more women to subsequent works]], whether it is a sequel (in which the men in the previous work get older) or a prequel (in which the women must [[DoomedByCanon die off or otherwise disappear]] to maintain continuity).
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13	SubTrope of AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits and, more specifically, the OldMaid trope, with the assumption that women will eventually settle down away from activity and focus on family. Old men, however, are either trying to [[JadedWashout recapture their glory days]] or pass on their knowledge to younger pupils. Compare BeautyIsNeverTarnished, where it's violence which has no effect on beauty, rather than time. If a plot or backstory features a TimeSkip and the women either disappear or retire while the men don't, that's this trope.
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15	Also related to MenActWomenAre, since men are assumed to have value for what they can do, thus even an old man wants to stay useful and can remain so in various ways. A woman's value, however, is tied to her sexual attractiveness, so if that's been lost with age, there is absolutely no way she can ever gain back relevance or usefulness. Which is why the VainSorceress sets her priorities there, but the WizardClassic ''doesn't''.
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17	See also the WhiteDwarfStarlet, a formerly gorgeous and famous star who's been replaced with younger ones and can't accept it, and the TrophyWife, of which there may be several as the SerialSpouse grows older.
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19	Compare and contrast IWasQuiteALooker, which may potentially subvert this. See also DeathByDisfigurement which enforces that trope.
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23	!Examples:
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28	* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': Several captains of the Goei 13 were around during a flashback that takes place a thousand years ago. Captain-Commander Yamamoto and Lieutenant Sasakibe were both much younger and have aged into highly respected old men; Yamamoto is even regarded as the living embodiment of the Gotei 13's history. Children such as Kyouraku, Ukitake and Zaraki are now powerful, renowned captains that have entered middle age. Captain Unohana is the only individual aside from Yamamoto and Sasakibe to have been an adult in the flashback. Unlike any of the other characters, she has apparently not aged a day since then and is still called "pretty" by Kirinji.
29	* ''Franchise/DragonBall'': Mostly averted for all human characters; the majority of [[TheAgeless ageless]] characters are gods, androids or aliens. The sole exception is Panchy, the mother of Bulma and eldest woman of the Briefs family; she is pushing ''seventy'' by the time of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and doesn't look a day over 30. This is given no explanation whatsoever and contrast the sagely-looking appearance of her husband, Dr. Briefs.
30	* Justified in ''Anime/{{Mnemosyne}}'' by almost all recurring female characters being (or becoming) immortal. The lead characters Rin and Mimi are immortals and remain at the same physical age throughout the series' 65-year span, while their nameless female informants are replaced with their own younger apprentices after every TimeSkip. Meanwhile, guys like Tamotsu, Maeno, and Teruki are allowed to reach venerable ages on-screen. The only obvious exception is the BigBad Apos but he [[spoiler:is eventually revealed to be a hermaphrodite]].
31	* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' [[ZigZaggingTrope zig-zags]] this:
32	** Like the other Legendary Sannin, Tsunade is over 50 years old, but she consciously maintains her youth with a spell and has never been seen in her real form (a shot of her wrinkled hand is shown at the ending of the Pain Invasion arc when she exerted her chakra to help the villagers, but we're not shown her face). Meanwhile, Mei Terumi is [[OldMaid worried about getting married at her age]], but her problem sounds rather petty ([[ValuesDissonance especially in the West]]) when you consider that she's only 31 and still gorgeous (then again, it's [[MaamShock Mei]]).
33	** Kurenai, the only female jonin mentor of Konoha, apparently retires after the TimeSkip when she becomes pregnant with Asuma's daughter, as she is never seen in an active mission afterwards. It also happens to the point when she turns over 30 years old.
34	** However, there are also aversions. The most notable example is Elder Chiyo, [[NeverMessWithGranny who still kicks ass despite being over 70 years old]]. There is also Koharu Utatane, the Third Hokage's female teammate who serves as one of Konoha's infamous war hawks and, as seen in a flashback, was on the front lines protecting Konoha during Kurama's attack. At the time, she was 56 years old and very visibly aged. Koharu returns in ''Manga/{{Boruto}}'', still serving as adviser to the Kage, despite being over ''90''.
35	** Speaking of ''Boruto'', the series largely averts this. The teenage kunoichi from the previous series continue to be active as ninja just as much as their male peers, despite pushing 40 years old.
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39	* In Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} has gotten old and fat by the time Franchise/{{Batman}} comes out of retirement. Almost all of the male heroes, including Batman, Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/GreenLantern, Franchise/TheFlash, ComicBook/GreenArrow, and ComicBook/TheAtom, and even villains like ComicBook/TheJoker and ComicBook/LexLuthor, have gotten older but are still capable of fighting. The only active superheroines in the story are younger replacements, with the exception of Franchise/WonderWoman, who is immortal.
40	* ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'':
41	** The original members of the Justice Society included ComicBook/WonderWoman and ComicBook/BlackCanary, but when the group reformed decades later, it included the daughters of both as replacements. (Wonder Woman was retroactively stated to be Diana's mother, Hippolyta.) Many of the men returned despite having aged (such as Jay Garrick, the original Franchise/TheFlash). Some, like Alan Scott (ComicBook/GreenLantern) and Carter Hall (ComicBook/{{Hawkman}}) had either de-aged or were immortal.
42	** Their counterparts, the ComicBook/AllStarSquadron, had Liberty Belle, who was later replaced by her daughter, Jesse Quick while male team member remained the same.
43	* ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'': While many of the male heroes come out of retirement after Superman does, most of the female superheroes stay retired and have been replaced in this distant future. Examples include ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Comicbook/BlackCanary, ComicBook/{{Starfire}}, and ComicBook/{{Zatanna}}. A handful of exceptions include Franchise/WonderWoman, [[ComicBook/PowerGirl Power Woman]], and Jade, and only the latter has aged all that much since it's established that Wonder Woman is immortal and Kryptonians like Power Girl not only age at a reduced rate, but get StrongerWithAge. [[ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} Selina Kyle]] is still around, and a member of ComicBook/LexLuthor's "Mankind Liberation Front", but she's retired her costumed persona.
44	* In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', there were originally two female members of the Minutemen team which existed in the 1940s: Silhouette and Silk Spectre. When the Crimebusters formed as their replacements, there were two veterans of the Minutemen: Captain Metropolis and The Comedian. Silhouette was [[BuryYourGays killed after being outed as a lesbian]] and Silk Spectre was replaced by her younger daughter.
45	* In the Golden Age ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1942'' comics most of the Amazons had [[TheAgeless stopped aging]] when they were young and beautiful but Althea, the Amazon physician who helped save ComicBook/SteveTrevor's life, had white hair and while fit looked to be well over fifty, apparently becoming an Amazon at a later age than most of the others on Paradise Island. In every version since then, Althea has either been [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1987 replaced by a younger looking character]] or has herself [[ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth looked like]] [[ComicBook/WonderWomanEarthOne a teenager]].
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49	* [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.
50	** Heroes like Captain America and the Winter Soldier are still around from the UsefulNotes/WorldWarII era but have been preserved by cryostasis. No female character from the same era is still active, with the aged Comicbook/PeggyCarter being replaced by her niece, ComicBook/{{Agent 13}}. Peggy is dead by the time of ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'' and [[spoiler:as of ''[[Film/AvengersEndgame Endgame]]'' Steve has retired too]].
51	** Hank Pym is retired, but actively training his successor. Janet Pym, however, has died and her young daughter, Hope, wants to replace her. [[spoiler:[[Film/AntManAndTheWasp Turns out Janet is alive]], but takes a similar stance to her husband.]]
52	* ''The Mummy's Tomb'': In this sequel, set 30 years after the events of ''The Mummy's Hand'', Steve Banning and 'Babe' Jenson return as major characters (played by the original actors in old age makeup); however, Marta Solvani is mentioned to have passed away sometime during her marriage to Steve.
53	* ''Film/TronLegacy'' and its related timeline. [[Creator/JeffBridges Bridges]]? Check. [[Creator/BruceBoxleitner Boxleitner]]? Wouldn't be a ''Franchise/{{Tron}}'' entry without him. [[Creator/CindyMorgan Morgan]]? Uh... oops. Creator/{{Disney}} shoves her human character (Lora Baines-Bradley) [[PutOnABus on a bus to Washington, D.C.]], and [[SequelNonEntity her Program (Yori) doesn't even warrant a mention]] in the ExpandedUniverse. The [[CanonDiscontinuity other]] [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh sequel]] played it sideways by having the actress voicing BenevolentAI [=Ma3a=] while killing off Lora. [[spoiler:However, that turned out to be a subversion as [=Ma3a=] turned out to ''be'' what was left of Lora due to BrainUploading.]]
54	* ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'': Just as in the comic book, neither Silhouette nor the original Silk Spectre help form "The Watchmen" (the movie's version of the Crimebusters), but Captain Metropolis isn't part of that team, which means The Comedian is the only returning Minuteman.
55	* In the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'', the only female character from the ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' era that returns is the immortal ShapeShifter, Mystique. Other female characters, like Angel Salvadore and Emma Frost, are never seen again. Both are said to have died in ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast''.
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59	* ''Literature/TheBelgariad'': Aldur's disciples are sorcerers who are mostly thousands of years old. While the male sorcerers have aged into elderly-looking men who aren't physically quite as elderly as their appearances suggest, the only known female disciple, Polgara, looks like a [[ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty young woman]] who has had multiple suitors throughout the centuries (including an obsessed, insane God) because of her great beauty. The discrepancy is observed by the characters, who theorise that white hair and beards give men a distinguished air and help convey an aura of wisdom while an aged woman would be dismissed as an ugly crone not fit to respect. The gender inequality involved in this theory is acknowledged by the characters. [[spoiler:Polgara's mother, Poledra, is a hidden disciple of Aldur who has been forced by the Prophecy of Light to fake her death for thousands of years. Born as a wolf, it took her a thousand years just to learn how to shapeshift into a human woman and win Belgarath's affection. Like Polgara, she looks youthful instead of old.]]
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63	* The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' finale "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E24AllGoodThings All Good Things]]" features premonitions of a BadFuture: Will, Geordi, and the other male members of the core cast are older, wrinklier, and greyer of hair; Deanna is dead. (Beverly, who was already a widow of mature years with visible signs of aging, survives, which suggests something about how this trope is applied.)
64	* In ''Series/{{Vikings}}'', at least twenty years pass over the course of the story. The men all visibly age, but none of the women do. It gets very obvious when [[MumLooksLikeASister mothers appear to be about the same age as their grown children]].
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68	* ''Franchise/StarWars'': In [[Film/ANewHope the first Star Wars movie]], there is only one active female character, and she is 19 years old at the time. We are given pieces of backstory that transpired before the film, but all of the returning veterans from that time are male. When we ''are'' introduced to women in the prequel movies, most of them either fail to survive or do not return (aside from ExpandedUniverse works). The notable exceptions are Mon Mothma and Aunt Beru (retroactively) and Leia herself, who returns in the sequel trilogy.
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72	* ''Franchise/MassEffect'':
73	** The asari are a long-lived race of [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Blue-Skinned Space Babes]] and can live for thousands of years with almost no signs of aging (three "Matriarch"-aged asari we meet are all gorgeous and resemble a middle-aged human). The only species that lives the same amount of time as they do, the Krogan, do not age as gracefully (mostly because they are warriors) and have visible scars and wrinkles, in addition to not exactly being attractive by most human's standards to begin with, being somewhere between a turtle, a frog, and a t-rex appearance-wise.
74	** In the tie-in novels, the co-protagonists David Anderson and Kahlee Sanders are compared and contrasted for how they've aged. In the decades since the first novel until the [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 third game]], Kahlee is stated to have barely shown any signs of age. For reference, despite being only two years his junior, Sanders looks [[http://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Kahlee-Sanders-Mass-Effect.jpg like this,]] while Anderson looks [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Anderson_Character_Box.png like this.]]
75	* Played with in ''VideoGame/MetalGear''. The franchise switches between two eras: the UsefulNotes/ColdWar era, and the Patriot era. All of the characters who have lived through both aged appropriately, including [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Eva]]/[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots Big Mama]]. However, other female characters of the Cold War era all either died or disappeared by the time the Patriot era starts. [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater The Boss]] is another exception, as she came from an even ''older'' era and aged appropriately. But, [[spoiler:she dies in the same game introduced her, and even Big Mama dies not long after she resurfaces]].
76	* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' [[ZigZaggingTrope has gone all over the place with this]] regarding the skip between the [[HeroesRUs old Overwatch of the backstory]] and [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits the present-day vigilante Overwatch]]. Examples that play it straight are [[OldSoldier the male veterans]] Torbjorn, Soldier: 76, Reaper, and Reinhardt who are still around, with women like Mei, Brigitte, and Zarya all being newer recruits in the combat side of things, and female members of the old guard like Mercy, Tracer, and Mei also not visibly aging (though the latter two could are at least [[JustifiedTrope justified]] due to being [[UnstuckInTime temporally unstable]] and [[HumanPopsicle put in cryogenic stasis]]). Subversions come in the form of Ana Amari ([[TheSmurfettePrinciple the only female member of the original 5-man strike team]]) and Moira who have also visibly aged, but like all the aforementioned members sans Reinhardt, none of them are active in the present Overwatch, either being off-the-grid vigilantes or working in completely different fields.
77	* The plot of ''VideoGame/PhantasyStar III'' spans a few generations of a royal family. Each time a son becomes the protagonist in place of his father (after a 20 or so year gap), he can meet his parents at some point. While the father has become visibly older and grown mustache, the mother looks completely the same. With the game's animesque drawing style, everyone looks pretty ageless anyway, though.
78	* ''VideoGame/SoulSeries'': How this trope is enforced can be observed between the 3-, 4-, and 17-year {{time skip}}s that take place before ''Soulcalibur'', ''Soulcalibur II'', and ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburV'', respectively.
79	** Between the first two time skips, this trope is mostly averted as no one ages significantly in those seven years. However, the oldest male character (Seong Han-myeong) is no longer playable after his appearance in ''Soul Edge'', and one woman (Sophitia) and two men (Li Long and Hwang) are demoted to unlockable and minor characters respectively in future games, in favor of younger counterparts. Sophitia would at least be restored to sharing equal prominence with her counterpart (her younger sister Cassandra) in ''Soulcalibur III'' and ''IV''.
80	** ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburV'' brings the heart of this trope, with more female characters than male characters getting replaced, and no female character aging past 35. We are supposed to believe that Ivy, [[MsFanservice the series' sex symbol]], has stopped aging due to her exposure to Soul Edge, but Siegfried, the face of the series who was also exposed to Soul Edge, gets to keep aging. Additionally, within the story, both Cervantes and Soul Edge itself are seeking to transfer their essences into younger female bodies to cheat aging.
81	*** Following the 17-year time skip, only four of the ten previously playable female characters returned: Amy [[spoiler:as Viola]], Hilde, Ivy, and Tira. Of them, only Amy (age unknown, presumably [[VagueAge anywhere between 9 and 14]]) and Hilde (18) noticeably age from their previous outings in ''SCIV''. Four more (Cassandra, Setsuka, Sophitia, and Taki) were replaced by younger counterparts, and Seong Mi-na and Talim were removed entirely. This makes post-time skip Hilde the biologically oldest female main character in the series, at 35.
82	*** Just as only two women visibly aged, only two men did: Mitsurugi and Siegfried, to 46 and 40 respectively. The difference is more male characters were allowed to return, with ten (human) male characters returning: Algol, Cervantes, Dampierre, Edge Master, Kilik, Maxi, Mitsurugi, Raphael, Siegfried, and Voldo. Several of these appeared "old" or ageless to begin with, and those who didn't had some kind of Soul Edge-related reason for their aging being halted or significantly slowed. The only two male characters who were replaced (Astaroth and Yoshimitsu) have [[LegacyCharacter successors]] who have identical names, appearances, and mannerisms as them. This makes Voldo the biologically oldest male main character, at 67.
83	** ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburVI'', a SoftReboot of the series, has the [[UnexpectedCharacter surprise return]] of [[spoiler:the original timeline's Cassandra, who was [[TrappedInAnotherWorld lost in Astral Chaos]] long enough to forget her own identity]]. As some players had predicted, although [[spoiler:Cassandra]] is now weary and [[TheCorruption horribly corrupted]], she is still just as young and pretty as her 21-year-old self. As a bit of GameplayAndStorySegregation, she apparently does look different enough that [[spoiler:her 1586 AD new timeline counterpart didn't recognize her as her four-year older self at first glance]].
84	* Many people suspect that the reason why time in the ''Franchise/{{Tekken}}'' series [[WebcomicTime never moves on]] after [[VideoGame/Tekken4 the fourth game's]] two-year TimeSkip is because of this trope. Moving up ahead means the women age, and, as shown by this series and the ''VideoGame/{{Soul\|Series}}'' series (see above), Creator/{{Bandai Namco\|Entertainment}} doesn't seem to want women to age past 25. Prior to ''VideoGame/Tekken8'', the biologically oldest playable female character was Lidia Sobieska in ''VideoGame/Tekken7'', the 29-year-old Polish Prime Minister who is FamedInStory for her youth, and is the only female main character who is biologically older than 25. The biologically oldest playable male character is Wang Jinrei at 105, who continued to fight alongside his replacement in ''Tekken 6''.
85	** This trope is played straight in the canon games, where the only notable time skip in the series is the 20-year gap between ''Tekken 2'' and ''Tekken 3''. Following this jump, every human male character from the first two games returns at least once, except for King I and Armor King I, masked wrestlers who were killed and replaced with [[LegacyCharacter younger counterparts]]. These men show their age in their designs. Conversely, female characters from the first two games barely return, with the notable exceptions of Nina and Anna Williams, who were put into cryostasis and thus remained unchanged. As such, Nina [[MumLooksLikeASister barely looks any older than her son]], Steve. ''8'' ups the upper age limit by reintroducing Jun Kazama, the only pre-''3'' woman to age during the timeskip... who is ''still'' quite youthful-looking for her age, because [[spoiler:she was rendered spiritually comatose after her fight against Ogre, and didn't age for seven years until her reawakening. She is physically 37 years old, rather than 44.]]
86	** This trope is played with in the non-canon games. Over the course of the series, Kunimitsu and Michelle Chang were replaced by their daughters Kunimitsu II and Julia, while Jun Kazama was replaced by her son, Jin, and teenage relative, Asuka. When they all returned in the non-canon ''Tekken Tag Tournament'' {{Dream Match Game}}s, Kunimitsu and Michelle hadn't aged a day, with the latter looking [[MumLooksLikeASister nearly identical to her adopted daughter]]. (Though this at least has the excuse of the characters' designs being based on their last canonical appearance, even if [[ArtisticAge the game treats them as being as old as they would be at that point in the series timeline]]. To wit, an older Michelle did appear in Julia's ''T3'' ending, while ''Tag 2'' has her interacting with Julia as one would expect a mother-daughter duo to behave.) In those same ''Tag'' games, several of the older male characters have comedic stories about plotting to restore their youth, or mocking each other for how old they are.
87	* In ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' universe, most beings who can use magic (such as sorcerers, sorceresses, vampires, and other such creatures) are immortal. Yet, the majority of male characters with such power tend to appear to be in their late middle age and the majority of female characters are young and beautiful and tend to [[{{Stripperiffic}} wear very little]]... [[ShamelessFanserviceGirl if they wear anything at all]].
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91	* Discussed in ''WebVideo/FeministFrequency'', specifically focusing on ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' as an example, acknowledging that the introduction of Ana is a good start... but only a start.
92	* The topic was [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndIOPaL5k0 briefly discussed]] by [=The4thSnake=] in his "Wasted Plotential" series for the ''VideoGame/SoulSeries''. He then [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMNf1iupm0E revisited the topic]] in greater detail later in the series for "Namco's Female Fighters".
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96	* This is the backstory for the villain Calendar Girl in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', as, despite all her efforts to retain her youthful looks, she was dropped by basically every talent agency and studio in favor of younger women. [[spoiler:When her face is finally revealed at the end of the episode, she's shown to actually be gorgeous and appears no older than her late-twenties to early-thirties, but years of being told by the industry that she's ugly has resulted in her only being able to see herself as hideous.]]
97	* {{Gender inverted\|Trope}} in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. Both main females from [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender the original series]] ([[MakingASplash Katara]] and [[DishingOutDirt Toph]]) are alive, while only one male ([[PlayingWithFire Zuko]]) is. All of them are semi-retired, though, while their descendants are main characters.
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101	* When it comes to reproductive life, women have their [[MyBiologicalClockIsTicking biological clocks working against them and the prospect of menopause to worry about]]. Men generally retain the ability to conceive into old age (although with higher chances of erectile dysfunction, lowered fertility and a higher likelihood of the offspring having a heritable disease). On a related note, men are far more likely than women to prioritize youth when choosing companions of the opposite sex, and by extension, to find such people who don't fit the bill disposable.

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